Fit and Proper

batty, not trying to defend FL here, but people use the arguments that it's ok to be dodgy because everyone else is, didn't Lance Armstrong use that argument too?

2 wrongs do not make a right.

The FL have a set of checks in place and they;re clearly not good enough checks, but they are the checks that are in place and if those checks allow dubious characters into football that is not the characters fault, but the fault of the checks.

I'm not constantly trying to rubbish Cellino. I aired my views at the time, now he is here, I'm not over the moon about it, but he is the boss and I will support that until he starts doing obvious wrong as both Bates and GFH did.

My pointa bout his unsuitability is that he has fallen foul of the law on numerous occasions. I am the first person to say that someone deserves a second chance, but he has had more than that already and I don't see how he is going to change his approach.

This thread was about the FL checks and the comment I picked up on was about half the politicians should not have gotten into office.

I would love to know who all these politicians are what they had done previous to attaining office that would have failed the checks in place at the time.

Like I said, not trying to defend politicians, but to say half of them broke some rules of entry which were ignored is not correct.

Jonty.Cyril Smith stayed in office until he retired or died.He was never challenged on what he did.And like that loathesome excuse of a man Saville,people did not challenge them for what they were getting up to.And do not tell me that others did not know,because there had been police involvement in both cases in the 60s.

Expenses scandal?

"Half the politicians" is a generalistic phrase, I haven't counted them to confirm that is an exact number so I concede that I may have been over-zealous.

However, both of my parents are heavily involved in politics and there are significant numbers who have fallen foul of the very same rules and regulations that you would have Cellino birched by.

Not declaring interests in commercial activities. Backhanders for Government contracts, I worked for Capita so I speak with some knowledge of what went on.

Dodgy dealings over mortgages outside of the expenses scandal. Some of which would have ended up with a conviction for fraud had they not been in the position they were in at the time.

Focusing upon my specific comment would only serve to detract from your own views mate. I don't need to justify my stance. I support Cellino. Politicians are at the height of hypocrisy. Jeez, Huhne? I don't need to give you a list, prison sentences, fines, resignations etc etc..

You understand the sentiment.

A small point and one that needs highlighting here

On this thread whilst Cellino is here..!

“I'm not constantly trying to rubbish Cellino. I aired my views at the time, now he is here, I'm not over the moon about it, but he is the boss and I will support that until he starts doing obvious wrong as both Bates and GFH did.

My point about his unsuitability is that he has fallen foul of the law on numerous occasions. I am the first person to say that someone deserves a second chance, but he has had more than that already and I don't see how he is going to change his approach”.

“Now he is here” “I will support him”

“I am the first person to say that someone deserves a second chance”



Good to hear..!

2 weeks ago, whilst Cellino was here...!

Not sure my view on Cellino has changed, past behaviour is best indicator for future behaviour and I believe he would bring instability and chaos.
If Cellino hadn't opened his gob about McCormack, we wouldn't have fans abusing our one effective player left right and centre now.

Is that GFH's fault too?

Cellino = chaos.

There's a difference between transparency and Cellino's wild rantings undermining every person at the club.

And that's before he;s even gotten his hands on the club!

I'm not saying some of the points aren't valid, its the entirely unprofessional way he is undermining everyone and his sheer stupidity in saying all this to someone he doesn't even know on the phone which goes a long way to explaining why he keeps getting caught by the law.

What train wreck this club is right now.

Hitler was popular in the polls, did that make him a good, trustworthy man?

A perfect example if someone who ranted, people swooned over and was later regretted despite all the signs being there.

The other reason that is a good example is that in times of trouble even the shakiest if characters appear attractive propositions as people panic.



All your comments Jonty and that’s on one thread...?

Your thread entitled “I’m not a fan of Cellino but...”

Why the dramatic change of tune..?

Is it perhaps because you’ve actually realised that his popularity is suffocating your mantra of woe...?

As your disciple Mangy would say

"I think you're rattled matey..!"



U-turns coming along nicely...!



You'll be telling us next you always said he's be popular etc, etc, etc..!

Happy Easter everyone..!

Sorry Jonty, my apologies I quoted you as saying you support him, you don't, you say you'll support that.

You don't say you'll support him.

But as Stefano says, you'll understand the sentiment.

I will thrash myself with birch twigs for that one.

Stevie, I think you're missing the point which was about politicians being allowed into office and having a background that would have prevented them passing the checks in place at the time, yet still being allowed in.

I'm sure I'm nto alone in being angry at politcians bending and breaking teh rules re expenses and being offered great jobs after office etc however that is very different to having a background BEFORE taking office that would have barred you from office yet the authroritites did not uphold the checks.

I am struggling to think of any politician with such a known background before becoming a politician that was then allowed to become a politician.

If the FL tighten up the rules, so much the better to try and improve football governance, so much the better.

He's like a puppy with a toy isn't he...?

Cellino was "convicted" after his application had been submitted. I know not of anyone having to endure the same process. His conviction is being appealed. Therefore still innocent. Any other convictions were spent, rehabilitation of offenders would render him innocent on those counts too.

I'm not missing any point mate, ultimately it's about rank hypocrisy that affects our game. The people who make judgement on our plight are the very same people who could benefit from our demise and as we know, they are hardly whiter than white.

There are three regimes in recent times, who would prefer knowing you have to have one of them? Bates? GFH?

And as far as politicians are concerned there are many that have to resign either from office or as an MP when the skeletons come out. Look at that bod in charge of the government quango for example.

Cellino is an innocent man as we speak. He's also the lifeline that keeps Leeds United going. Rather that than administration I say. Of course, there are some who might have an alternative view!

Cellino is an innocent man as we speak.

The interesting fact in all this is that the FL said in a statement that they received the directors form/application on March 19 - a day after the court case.

Why was it not sent in before the court case as at that point he was still innocent?

Stinks to high heaven!