Sinclair jumps on the bandwagon

The most disappointing aspect of Sterling's performances in the last 6momths of his time with us was the descending level of quality. How many times was he through only to send the ball wide. I hope he didn't do so deliberately, but his performances were abject.

Will he be a success at City? For their sakes, I hope so. City are a fantastic team, great to watch, and they deserve success.

Sinclair? Well, clearly, the sole reason he isn't in the Far East is that the club doesn't think he's good enough to be there. I've seen him play enough times to think he is a tidy player, he has the potential, but he's not there yet. If he want to ply his trade elsewhere, then, in order to devastate his future beyond recognition, hire dopey as his agent.

JimmyTheRed

He won't be expected to produce at City any more than he was expected to produce at Liverpool.
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You think the Press won’t mention his fee in every report? And start calling him an ‘expensive flop’ before he’s even had time to settle in? We’ll see, you have different expectations of the Press than I do, and it’s not like there aren’t precedents.

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In my opinion, other than There's Only One Reds and to a lesser extent Robbing, I've haven't yet come across a Liverpool fan who has at the very least tried to be objective about the whole scenario.
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That’s your objective assessment of Liverpool fans, is it?
By objective, you mean people who are in partial or total agreement with you?

I am delighted with the Sterling deal, does that mean I’m not objective, as well? Elsewhere, I've seen you implying that we'll probably waste the money anyway, in that objective way of yours, though of course you won't be bothered whether we do or not, you're just sayin', like.

I wanted Sterling gone not long after he kicked off, some months ago, because I didn’t think he was worth the trouble, and from seeing him play after it all kicked off, I didn’t trust him to keep his head straight and perform.

But I never dreamt we’d get 49m for him. I don’t think he’s a great footballer, I think he’s a good footballer with great pace. Not unlike Navas, (for whom you paid 16m?), So if the kind of player you wanted was another player of that type, then you’ve got the right guy. But if you’re looking for clever interchanges with Silva and Aguero, then imo, you haven’t.
That’s just my opinion, but don't conclude from it that I think he's c.rap, he clearly isn't.

Robbing doesn’t agree with my assessment of him, and we’ve discussed it, and I respect his opinion, but in the end, all opinions are subjective, aren’t they? I may well be wrong, but that was my view of him before he kicked off, it's not my view of him because I'm secretly chewing the carpet with rage that your marvellously discerning and judicious club have captured him.

Unlike Coutinho, Sturridge and Lallana, Sterling has never even been nominated for PFA player of the year, so there must be quite a few of his fellow pros who don’t think he’s yet delivered on his potential as well, if you’re looking for objective support for that point of view.

So term’s assessment of him as being not all that hard to replace isn’t a particularly outrageous point of view. It’s all relative, and in my view, he’s nowhere near as hard to replace as Suarez.

We may all turn out to be wrong, but your dismissal of it as un-objective, just because you don't agree, is at least entertaining.

I have a question. Bearing in mind my high if not very high admiration of City and their players, and I've made no secret of that, who will Pelli drop to make way for Raheem? Silva? Where will he play? What will his role be?

JimmyTheRed

If, as you say "he won't be that difficult to replace", then why are all of you so bothered about the entire situation? You've got close to £50m for a player that won't be difficult to replace after all.

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We have already replaced him with Firmino, we need to spend the money from Sterling on a striker that him and Coutinho can feed.

If we get that right I will be very happy with the business we have done and the team as a whole will work better and have more balance.

comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 15 hours, 27 minutes ago
I have a question. Bearing in mind my high if not very high admiration of City and their players, and I've made no secret of that, who will Pelli drop to make way for Raheem? Silva? Where will he play? What will his role be?

JimmyTheRed
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out wide mid/wing like they used to play milner

"That’s your objective assessment of Liverpool fans, is it?"

No, it's my opinion. I never implied that *I* was being objective.

"By objective, you mean people who are in partial or total agreement with you?"

No, I don't mean that at all. By objective I mean people who I feel are putting their bias to the club they support to one side. To be fair, I haven't seen too many City fans do that either. For the record, I've read many comments from TOOR in regards to this issue that I haven't agreed with. But I admire the way he has put across his opinion nonetheless. Same with Robbing. Hence why I singled those two posters out.

"I've seen you implying that we'll probably waste the money anyway, in that objective way of yours"

Again, I never implied that I was being objective. But yes, I did imply that you may well waste the money anyway. I'd love that to happen, just as I would at United, Chelsea, and Arsenal, as it's something that would benefit City in terms of our chances of success/remaining in the top four. To be fair, when pressed on this point about wasting money on players, I was quick to state that the same can be said of all clubs. I include City in that.

"So term’s assessment of him as being not all that hard to replace isn’t a particularly outrageous point of view. It’s all relative, and in my view, he’s nowhere near as hard to replace as Suarez."

You're right. It isn't a particularly outrageous point of view. My reply to term was to say what he said was obvious. What I meant by saying it was obvious was that what term said is clear for many to see and thus hard for many to disagree with. In my opinion of course. I'll hold my hands up and admit that, on reflection, my comment here probably come across as rather patronising so I'll apologise for that. I should have phrased that much better than I did.

Blimey, Ripley, I’ll have to read back and try to remember this discussion.

I’m not exactly sure what is the point of saying: “I've haven't yet come across a Liverpool fan who has at the very least tried to be objective about the whole scenario.”, and then saying “I never implied that I was being objective”.

If nobody is being objective, including yourself, what is the point of singling out Liverpool fans for it? (and don’t say, “because I was replying to a Liverpool fan”, because that’s a cop-out: the implication that somebody might draw from it is not unreasonable).

“I think there's plenty of Liverpool fans who need to distance themselves from the whole situation and at least attempt to look at it objectively”. Why, if you can’t manage it yourself?

My own view is that Sterling is overrated, and I held that view before he asked for a transfer.
It’s not Robbing’s view, and we’ve discussed it, and I respect his point of view, so that’s fine.

But it’s become difficult to express that view now without somebody jumping in and accusing me of calling him c.rap (which he clearly isn’t), or of being “bitter”, or of not being “objective” (I’m not implying you did that, but that’s the general atmosphere of the debate).

My view of him may be wrong, and I’ve no objection to anybody telling me why they think so (as Robbing himself did when we debated it), but there’s nothing “bitter”, or “irrational”, or “un-objective” about it.
There’s a number of threads on here in which TOOR and Robbing have been identified as the only Liverpool fans who are being objective. Here’s another one:

http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/316246
“Those two posters have knowledge, see the bigger picture and are not consumed by bitteritis.”


Those are also the two Liverpool posters with the highest opinion of Sterling’s ability, so it’s difficult to avoid the suspicion that that’s the entire range of opinion that’s being considered “level-headed” and politically correct.

My own view of Sterling is the same one I had before he asked for a transfer, so I’m not going to change it just because it has become politically incorrect and “irrational”. The range of views about Sterling’s ability vary, as you would expect, but I’ve seen very few who suddenly think he’s c.rap. I’ve no doubt there are some who have changed their minds, too, because some people like expressing views that wind up fans of other clubs, but they are just representative of one part of the spectrum of views.

"If nobody is being objective, including yourself, what is the point of singling out Liverpool fans for it?"

Eh? I singled out two posters who I felt were being objective. Hence I clearly don't feel that nobody is being objective.

Eh? I singled out two posters who I felt were being objective. Hence I clearly don't feel that nobody is being objective
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Ok, we could have a debate about whether the word “nobody” is always used literally (in which case, I think I’ll pass), or we can stick to the points I made:

Would you say that those two Liverpool fans are the
two whose assessment of Sterling most closely resembles yours?

And why do you think: “there's plenty of Liverpool fans who need to distance themselves from the whole situation and at least attempt to look at it objectively” , if you are not looking at it objectively yourself? (“I never implied that I was being objective” ).

Would you say that those two Liverpool fans are the
two whose assessment of Sterling most closely resembles yours?

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No. I already said that "I've read many comments from TOOR in regards to this issue that I haven't agreed with"

I've also expressed my opinion in this thread regarding Sterling, namely that I don't think Sterling will justify his fee. I remain unconvinced by Sterling.

That is not the same view that TOOR or Robbing have expressed. At least in the posts that I have read.

I maintain that there are plenty of Liverpool fans who should at least attempt to look at it objectively. I qualified my comment by saying that "There's just too many things that don't marry up with Sterling and what the Liverpool fans say and how the Liverpool fans regard him", so it's important not to lose that context. As for myself, I've rarely commented on the whole situation, not only in regards to his talent (or lack of), but also in regards to the whole transfer situation, which dates back to, and been discussed at length, since it first came to light that Sterling had rejected a contract (or at least put talks on hold until the close season). I believe that dates back to January/February time. Having read numerous posts from Liverpool fans during this time, I feel my comment in regards to their perceived lack of objectivity is warranted.

Given what you've said since I wrote my comment, and indeed term's reply to my comment, it seems that your view and term's view has at least remained consistent throughout. So in light of that, I wouldn't include either of you in the group of fans that I do feel should step back and at least try to look at it from a different perspective (i.e. objectively).