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Jose's age old problem...

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/11/11/9711422/ruben-loftus-cheek-charly-musonda-january-transfer-rumors

Considering how poor we've been and unlikely that it is we'll win anything, I've given up caring about results this season. However, there's one thing I won't accept and that's Jose's short termism.

I'll be more than happy to see Jose stay but on one single condition... He starts looking long term. This means fixing the systematic problems in our attacking play and finally integrating youth.

We can come 8th, 11th or even 15th for all I care but what Jose really needs to do is show that he cares about the long term vision of the club. We have by far and away the greatest generation of youth players we've ever had in our history. They're "class of 92" worthy. All those cups at youth level weren't just flukes, it was down to our youth players being better than every single other clubs' - not just in England but also Europe.

No more Cuadrados, no more Falcaos and no more Ramires'. Fill our 1st XI with stand out quality players and leave the lesser squad roles to our youth. We have way too many journeymen in our side which combined with Jose's rotation policy means that youth players barely get to play.

I can allow a lot of things to slide with Jose (media antics, negative playing style etc.) but wasting this once in a generation level of talent is something I wont ever forgive.

posted on 12/11/15

comment by Kings Road (U1762)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
Although I agree to a point, Ruben has started 3 games and made a few sub apps, and before this season he hasn't played any first team.games where there was something riding on the result.

Is that actually that bad considering.
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A few cameos don't equal being given a proper chance. He's had 70 mins in the prem, 60 in the champions league and 70 in the league cup. That's around 10% of the available minutes despite us going through our worst start to a season in 37 years.

It wasn't much better last season when we had already won the league and José couldn't even bear to play him for a full 90 on any of our 3 dead rubber games.

Kenedy has got pretty much the same number of minutes but you have to remember he was bought for 6 mil anyways so he's hardly Chelsea youth.

And Traore's game time isnt even worth mentioning to be honest.

posted on 12/11/15

That would make a change to see Loftus-Cheek take risks on the pitch.

Kenedy deserves to play more than he has, not fussed about Loftus-Cheek.
Former shows more responsibility, maturity on the pitch and is closer to the starting 11 standard. Latter naive.
Traore even in his one sub appearance agaonst Stoke, showed some sort of authority than I've seen from Loftus-Cheek.
Loftus-Cheek is one of the most laid back, safe players on the ball.

comment by Tway (U1162)

posted on 12/11/15

Developing long term strategy. Maintenance of assets, in particular youth development. All important issues that any fan would naturally be concerned about.
How do we know that Jose and board are or not right on top of this. We assume that money spent on Cobham and the youth policy of the last 10 years is being well used. Those rare articles that appear about Roman Abramovic do mention on occasion that these are important issues for him. What do we know and what evidence is there to support the aspirations of the article. I would say as an outsider depending on the media for news , very little.
I agree with Monsy that of paramount importance now is to put a string of wins together. That first, fix the leak and paint the boat after.... Yes any sign that shows Jose interested in his and the clubs future would be welcome, and I for one would like him to say some words to that effect, even if I believe I know his heart has always been there.

posted on 12/11/15

Can definitely see why Jose favours Ramires, Fabregas, Matic they all have their overriding defined attributes. Loftus-Cheek is just a prospect who has shown very little to expose his talents on the big stage and to be relied upon for now, in my opinion.

posted on 12/11/15

In fact watching youth/u21's/first team apps I've never been one to be absolutely astonished by Loftus-Cheek' performances(nothing groundbreaking), all a bit lukewarm.
While other players exert/impose themselves on the pitch, Musonda being one example.

Finds himself in the first team squad because of physique, no doubt.

posted on 12/11/15

Very lucky to be in a privileged position over others, if you ask me.

posted on 12/11/15

got to say I agree with cmf's posts here, and was saying it when Mourinho started earmarking him way back in summer/late last season

posted on 12/11/15

Didn't look that 'Laid back' when he rampaged through Liverpool U21's midfield and defence on Sunday to slot past their keeper!

posted on 12/11/15

I think Loftus-Cheek is talented or has shown glimpses of his talent however as Cmf said he is far too laid back/casual as a player. Needs to show a bit more fire in his belly

posted on 13/11/15

comment by minididi (U17584)
posted 1 day ago
comment by Kings Road (U1762)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
Although I agree to a point, Ruben has started 3 games and made a few sub apps, and before this season he hasn't played any first team.games where there was something riding on the result.

Is that actually that bad considering.
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A few cameos don't equal being given a proper chance. He's had 70 mins in the prem, 60 in the champions league and 70 in the league cup. That's around 10% of the available minutes despite us going through our worst start to a season in 37 years.

It wasn't much better last season when we had already won the league and José couldn't even bear to play him for a full 90 on any of our 3 dead rubber games.

Kenedy has got pretty much the same number of minutes but you have to remember he was bought for 6 mil anyways so he's hardly Chelsea youth.

And Traore's game time isnt even worth mentioning to be honest.
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He doesn't have the stamina as it stands for 90 minute games, I'm not saying that because he's youth, some expierences pros had the same problem, Van Der Vaart or example.

The point is while not amazing the minutes RLC and Kennedy has got hasn't been THAT bad, If Pellegrini gave Patrick Roberts the same he would be getting praised to high heaven for slowly blooding a gem.

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