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Undeserved Champion - blah, blah blah blah

So if Lewis Hamilton doesn't win this season then whoever does win will be the least deserving winner since, oh whenever you fancy.

What a load of rubbish. The entire thought process behind this is wrong.

This is a sport where the contribution of the entire team, designers, engineers, race mechanics and so on is just as important if not more so than the ability of the driver.


If people want to see the best driver win every season then create a new sport where everyone has identical cars drawn randomly and separately for both qualification and races. Actually that's not enough, it still leaves in luck due to multiple issues, so let's get rid of real races and let all drivers do the same virtual reality race where they can guarantee to be in identical cars racing in identical conditions.

Or people could just stop whinging, please yourselves.

posted on 10/10/16

I agree, but its weird that only Hamilton has engine troubles

posted on 10/10/16

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2016/10/hamilton--engine-failure--just-odd-.html

Nuff said.

posted on 11/10/16

IF Rosberg wins, he wont be an undeserving champion, he may be less deserving than hamilton, but that doesnt make him undeserving.

Undeserving in my opinion would be if he cheated etc.

i take on the OPS point re it being a team sport and there are other factors at play. But deep down we all want the best driver to win. and there is no argument (since martial no longer exists) that Lewis is a better driver than Nico, but thats not the way of the world in all formats.

i just cant see Lewis winning it this year, too many failures which aren't of his doing. Its a shame really, coz i actually cant remember an occasion where all things fair and even, Nico has beaten Lewis. In fact, when Lewis has been in a slower car, or even strategy, he has still won.

In time, Lewis is going to be remembered and revered as a great of F1, and whilst maybe not the maverick status of a Senna, or the statistical brilliance of a Schumacher, he will in my opinion sit a comfortable 3rd behind those 2, as in my book, he has maverick brilliance, along with the stats to back it up, not to mention a global public profile.

posted on 11/10/16

""So if Lewis Hamilton doesn't win this season then whoever does win will be the least deserving winner since, oh whenever you fancy. ""

Fairly speculative as it hasn't happened yet and nobody has said it.

For many races Rosberg has outperformed Hamilton and in practice/qualifying too.

Add to that Rosberg's infinitely more professional behaviour and his letting Hamilton past at Monaco and I believe it is difficult to argue with any conviction that anybody but Rosberg deserves it this year.

He has certainly put Hamilton in his place and the "Hamilton is the fastest out there" statement is now questionable, at least until Hamilton returns to being a real racing driver again instead of just a "Global Media Celebrity".

C'mon Lewis, get over yourself, it isn't a case of you are always right and everybody else is always wrong. You are becoming the World's Number One Bore.

I suppose he'll stop talking to me now!

posted on 12/10/16

POB - you obviously dont have an objective view of hamilton.

Who is the fastest....its clearly Hamilton. That doesn't defer from the fact Rosberg is quick.

Professional behavior.....well, ye i see what you are saying, but IMO F1 has become too professional. Want to see some personalities. Professionalism is for work, i dont want to watch people at work...its dull.

Rosberg outperformed Hamilton this year, in Practice and in Quali........well if you paint a picture like this, that If hamilton would have gone on to won in malaysia, and the same result in suzuka as actually happened, they would be neck and neck. couple this with Hamiltons other failures and maybe assume he had some mediocre 3rds, hamilton would be ahead.

So you are not viewing it objectively. You dont like Lewis, which is fine, he isnt everyones cup of tea. But your dislike clouds your objectivity, thus rendering your opinion palpably and demonstrably nonesense.

All this said. Rosberg. Great job this year. Kept his head, kept going and he is bearing the fruits of that labour.

You could say Rosberg accepted the game.....hamilton is faster, but potentially Fragile, so let lewis beat himself and pick up the pieces.

Lewis being fragile shouldn't be news. Its part of his brilliance and his failing - he has 3 WDC's.....hes obviously a good un

posted on 15/10/16

POB - you obviously dont have an objective view of hamilton.

Yes he does.


Who is the fastest....its clearly Hamilton. That doesn't defer from the fact Rosberg is quick.


Who is the fastest....its clearly Hamilton. That doesn't defer from the fact Rosberg is quick.

Not if you defer to the poles.


Professional behavior?

Nuff said.


Rosberg outperformed Hamilton this year, in Practice and in Quali.......

Yes, he has.


So you are not viewing it objectively. You dont like Lewis.


Incorrect. This poster is a F1 fan and would imo be a Lewis Hamilton supporter. Alas, like myself he's becoming fed up with his childlike behaviour.

posted on 16/10/16

Irish,
thanks for your comments, I am indeed a massive Hamilton fan, as anybody who remembers me from as long ago as BBC 606 will remember. The arguments I used to have with a certain contributor who hated Hamilton, for his own peculiar reasons.

Hamilton is exciting and brilliant, when he is doing the job.

Too many times he has not delivered this year, for whatever reason. Only the most myopic Hamilton fan could be happy with the constant beatings he is getting from Rosberg at the moment.

Perhaps a "Hamilton fan" might like to explain exactly why Rosberg is better at the moment?

Hamilton this year reminds me very much of Stewart in 1972, just not as quick and silly mistakes on occasion.

It transpired after the season that Stewart had an ulcer and had been unwell, In '73 he was back with a flourish.

Don't I recall Hamilton missing a test session because he was going to a hospital for a personal reason?

Makes you wonder.

Hamilton now has the huge task of beating Rosberg at three circuits where Rosberg won easily last year, you could actually say "Rosberg won unchallenged", and a fourth circuit where Rosberg got pole last year.

(BTW... Rosberg is brilliant at Interlagos, eclipsing Hamilton)

There have been far too few Canada's this year, far too many Monza's.

My personal opinion is they can give the World Drivers Championship to Rosberg now.

I wonder who will be throwing caps this year?

"""Alas, like myself he's becoming fed up with his childlike behaviour."""

Certainly, it is embarrassing now, IMO.

To be fair I have checked back over this years qualifying records and not counting Hamiton's penalties he has actually (just) beaten Rosberg.
But there are 4 tracks coming up where I believe Rosberg was quicker last year so we shall see.

I could take the easy way out. Hamilton is the greatest driver there is, but he is very unlucky this year". Yeah, right, and if he carries on like this the rest of his career will be, "unlucky".

posted on 17/10/16

Look, i dont think you can just throw away that amount of bad luck, he is easily 3 races down on rosberg, thats significant. The poor starts, fine, blame hamilton, he isnt immune from critiscism because he is brilliant, in fact it usually is the opposite.

Im not one for doubting rosbergs brilliance, he is absolute class in my book. But for me, that only serves to secure hamiltons brilliance. He has 2 championships, rosberg has none. Beaten comprehensively both times.

Hamilton wont look back and think he lost on bad luck, because he will believe he is better, even with bad luck.

Apologies to say u dont like hamilton given ur history. However too many on here are just so quick to jump on his back and critiscise. He has 3 world titles, best part of 50 race wins, so if he has a bad patch cut him some slack.

For childish behaviour, it just doesnt sit with me. He shows passion, his mouth runs away, we need more of that! I wanna see drivers personalities. The drivers are the sport, and right now they are nostly corporate pin ups, its vastly dull.

Tell me the last rivalry between 2 drivers that got really tasty? Mika and schumi!

posted on 18/10/16

First of all OP, I do not believe I have seen anyone on here make the statement that Rosberg is an undeserving champion.

You have to wonder however what the championship table would look like if Hamilton did not have mechanical issues

Nico has done an excellent job this year and will be a deserving champion.

However, the bad luck Hamilton has had is responsible for that.

If his engine had not blown up in Malaysia he would have been leading the drivers championship.

Considering the reliability issues that have plagued him this season, that's mighty impressive.

posted on 18/10/16

""If his engine had not blown up in Malaysia he would have been leading the drivers championship.

Considering the reliability issues that have plagued him this season, that's mighty impressive.""

Is that actually the case? He would gain 25 points for a Malasia win, leaving Rosberg 8 ahead although Rosberg would have finished 4th instead of third, the difference between those two positions is not 9 or more points.

However, I agree with much of the sentiment. Hamilton has has reliability problems this season, although we all (IIRC) ignored Rosberg's last year (Monza and Singapore, again IIRC).

The run of misfortune does seem to have undermined Hamilton's confidence this year.

All the talent is there I believe, but the focus seems a little more hazy.

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