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Hi All, Yes a Political article but I was interested in seeing what you guys all thought. I thought id put a question to everyone here.

1. If the government were to announce that there would be 2nd referendum would you vote any differently?

5 - I would still vote to leave
4 - i would change my vote from remain to leave
3 - I am reconsidering my options
2 - I would change my vote from leave to remain
1 - I would still vote to remain

posted on 21/10/16

In fact, thinking about it, if we are able to negotiate a lower tariff with the EU on exports to them and able to import tariff free from places like China and India we will be in a very strong position as a gateway from the rest of the world to Europe. I cant really see it happening but that could make us incredibly important in world trade.

posted on 21/10/16

comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 26 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.

The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.

While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.

This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
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surely we couldnt just make our own deal without the eu being involved?
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Yes that's true. But the deal would still be subject to international trading rules. Eg WTO.

posted on 21/10/16

comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.

The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.

While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.

This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
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Those discussions have been based on us being members of the EU so the EU tariffs have to be applied. Once we are outside the EU it becomes a lot more of an attractive deal with India not having tariffs enforced on them. It will put us in a lot stronger position to negotiate with them.
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Even as an non EU member, WTO statute require tarriffs.

https://www.wto.org/English/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/fact2_e.htm

posted on 21/10/16

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.

The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.

While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.

This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
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Those discussions have been based on us being members of the EU so the EU tariffs have to be applied. Once we are outside the EU it becomes a lot more of an attractive deal with India not having tariffs enforced on them. It will put us in a lot stronger position to negotiate with them.
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Even as an non EU member, WTO statute require tarriffs.

https://www.wto.org/English/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/fact2_e.htm
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Sorry, should have added, as the UK will have to maintain a trading relationship with the EU, WTO tarriffs would apply.

posted on 21/10/16

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
I understand May is to visit India to discuss the potential of new trading agreements.

The UK have actually been in discussions with India for the last eight years relating to a trade agreement.

While there are many complexities, part of the impasse has related to migration. The UK refusing to budge on bilateral terms.

This will be replicated wherever the UK decide to trade. It’s therefore absolute lunacy to expect migration to drop - if the country is to remain solvent. While EU migration may reduce, this will be offset by migrants from the rest of the world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those discussions have been based on us being members of the EU so the EU tariffs have to be applied. Once we are outside the EU it becomes a lot more of an attractive deal with India not having tariffs enforced on them. It will put us in a lot stronger position to negotiate with them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even as an non EU member, WTO statute require tarriffs.

https://www.wto.org/English/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/fact2_e.htm
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Sorry, should have added, as the UK will have to maintain a trading relationship with the EU, WTO tarriffs would apply.
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we don't have to mantain a trading relationship with the EU, another made up fact

posted on 21/10/16

The EU Canadian trade deal has taken seven years and it's still not complete. That is all you need to know about the EU - completely unworkable. A protection racket. Instead of sending aid to Africa why not trade fairly with them instead of giving billions - like the £400,000 to the billionaire Sheik in the UK who has a farm - to not grow any food because to do so would create food mountains.
The anti-competitive tariffs that destroy the UK solar industry from buying cheap panels from China to protect German solar panel manufacturers. That went well for us - not.
The 13% of EU laws we've voted against since 2009 that we have to accept as law.
We need to be able to pick and choose to suit laws, trade, and things that are fair to all.

comment by (U18543)

posted on 21/10/16

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posted on 22/10/16

Although the whole world has collapsed around me and my holidays have become slightly more expensive, I would still vote to leave.

To be honest, had a known pre-vote that by simply

posted on 22/10/16

I understand with the EU leaders that Theresa May shouldnt expect to be able to take part in the decision making and a lot of the EU summit meetings.

But if the decisions affect the UK then she should be involved!

Also if you try to exclude the UK from these meetings then the decent thing to do would be to stop requiring the UK to pay its membership fee

posted on 22/10/16

Whether May is there are not is pretty much irrelevant. As she won't be involved (directly).

As there's no-one in government (nor the UK) qualified to negotiate EU severance, it has been outsourced. Ironically to EU negotiators.

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