Death penalty

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comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
Doesn't sound pathetic to me, Flash, sounds like a human capable of empathy.
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HC

I feel like I should be able to detach myself from it, but I just can’t.

This is how sad I am. When my son was only 4 months old, I was watching that “Call the Midwife” with the missus. A fictional production FFS. A baby died of “Cot Death” in the program. I actually got up and checked on my son in his cot at that very moment.

I think kids bring so much joy and emotions you didn't know existed. But my goodness they have certainly brought me fears I did not know existed.
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This would resonate with the vast majority of parents I imagine. Having kids brought out a soft side in me I didn't know I had.

I wouldn't say it's sad mate. I get the same emotions and I know from discussing it with them, many of my friends do also. Sounds to me like your wiring is correct, be glad

comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
Doesn't sound pathetic to me, Flash, sounds like a human capable of empathy.
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HC

I feel like I should be able to detach myself from it, but I just can’t.

This is how sad I am. When my son was only 4 months old, I was watching that “Call the Midwife” with the missus. A fictional production FFS. A baby died of “Cot Death” in the program. I actually got up and checked on my son in his cot at that very moment.

I think kids bring so much joy and emotions you didn't know existed. But my goodness they have certainly brought me fears I did not know existed.
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This would resonate with the vast majority of parents I imagine. Having kids brought out a soft side in me I didn't know I had.

I wouldn't say it's sad mate. I get the same emotions and I know from discussing it with them, many of my friends do also. Sounds to me like your wiring is correct, be glad
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This is the sort of thing people were refering to when they told you "you will understand when you grow up", but no-one ever listens to people when they say that.

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
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comment by Conte'nt (U20893)
posted 1 minute ago
Problem is that prisons in the western countries are like three star hotels for most people and especially those who come from very poor countries. I am not a fan of death penalties but people who commit crimes are meany to suffer as a consequence of their evil actions. I'd say make prisons hell on earth and I am sure that would be deterrant enough.
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I'm sorry but I will have to disagree with you. You just have to look at the disaster that is the US prisons system, to see that punishment is not enough.

I can see why punishment is important for some people, but what really should be important is rehabilitation and the prevention of crime in the future. Even with US's harsh prisons and sentencing it hasn't deterred criminals committing future crimes after prison. The US have focused too much in punishment, and as a result have people going in and out of prison their whole lives. Which is only more expensive for the tax payer.

Compare that with Norway and Scandinavia, where criminals are far much less likely to recommit crimes, and often go back into work so they can pay back into the system. Their prisons work at giving prisoners skills so they can go out into society. As a result they have some of the lowest crimes rates on Earth.

The best way for the system to work is to make sure criminals who do leave are not going to reoffend. Its a lot more cheaper system in the long run. Compared again to the US, which has had to privatise its prison system to afford the huge numbers of prisoners who are often in jail for lengthy times for petty crimes.
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The Scandinavians are doing many things right, starting with the education - the Finnish model is fantastic.

But our society doesn't lend itself to the Scandinavian system of punishment for many reasons, that start from an early age.

If I remember correctly, when the Bulger case was happening something similar happened in a Scandinavian country. The took the child/children back it to society and gave them the care they needed.

This will not work in the UK. We have become a nation that looks to be offended and has an enormous problem with people thinking they are owed something.

Can you imagine Baby P's murdering mother having the mental capacity to understand basics of decency? I would almost guarantee that the standard answer to anything will be defensive and aggressive with a splash of 'it's my right' thrown in.
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I used to live in Finland, I know the standard of education is brilliant over there. Along with that they have one of the best welfare states in the world, and its probably the only place I have been to where there is little distinction between classes.

However, I think the rehabilitation method is what the UK should be aiming towards. It is true that there are some people who cannot be rehabilitated and don't want to be.

However a large section of people in jail are people with few skills, with very little prospects, who are in and out of prison because they cannot function in society. These are the people who have been helped in the Nordic countries.

Compare this to the US's ridiculous three strike rule, where people have had life sentencing for being convicted of petty crimes on three occasions. This is exactly the kind of costly inefficient model which we should be staying away from.

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What MTC suggests sound like labour camps, and if these kind of laws were to be passed through, there would be no way of knowing how that power would be abused. People are reactionary and fearful, and easily misled by a political elite. I don't want to see these kind of punishments being used on particular groups.

Politically the only thing I oppose is forms of Totalitarianism. I hate to use the slippery slope argument, but I think it works. If we were to introduce very harsh laws on criminals, we simply have no idea how these might be used politically. We just look at how the war on drugs was a smoke screen to attack the civil rights movements, and only resulted in more social and economic problems for minorities.

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I've just voted 5 but I don't think I would have a problem not putting people like Huntley or Roy Whiting on suicide watch.

After the molten sugar and sharpened toothbrushes obviously.

Frankly killing is too good for many...I'd advocate Birching or similar...and allow the victims...or family to dole it out

And when the sick feckers have recovered...do it again

Whatever you come up with needs to look more appealing than suicide by cop to a desperate man.