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Mercedes: 'Rosberg made us look dumb'

“What annoys me the most is that now Nico is telling us that he would have continued had he not won the world championship," Lauda was quoted as saying by Germany’s Die Welt newspaper.

“This is something he could have at least hinted at when he signed his contract. In this case, we could have prepared a Plan B — we would have had to in order to be ready. But it is as it is.

“We all gave him the opportunity to become world champion in a fantastic car — and then he tells us he wants to retire.

“This has created a huge hole in this great working team. And we’re left looking dumb."

This serves them right, they bent over backwards to ensure he gets the 2016 WDC by hook or crook and in true Rosberg fashion lacking any modicum of integrity, takes his loot and ditches them, Ouuch!

posted on 6/12/16

comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 18 hours, 4 minutes ago
show me a "good" loser and I will show you a loser as the saying goes.....

He was referring to problems that hamilton had outwith his control that never stemmed onto the other driver in a similar car, you cannot deny that in this season there has been little to no comparison in terms of luck on the mechanical side of things with the car between Hamilton and Rosberg.
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The key word in your comment is "luck", neither Rosberg or the team has any control over that.
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Yes and thats what the whole debate is about losing the title this year was taken from Hamilton due to luck not his own doing. If you dont think he was gonna win the race in malaysia before his engine blew or wasnt gonna score any points in the other races (would have had 2nd places at very least) then you are being stubborn or biased in your views.

I take nothing away from Rosberg he did what he had to do and no-one is undeserving of a WDC. But you cannot say that failures or bad luck rather than ability didnt cost Hamilton another WDC this year.

Also there is no certainty that Merc will be the no1 car. With every race the Bulls have been closing the gap and the rule changes are more likely to play into their hands a little more again.

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" But you cannot say that failures or bad luck rather than ability didnt cost Hamilton another WDC this year."

Yes i can. If you use that logic then you can't say Rosberg couldn't have done better than 2nd place in the final races of the season.

posted on 6/12/16

comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 20 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by sling yer hook (U9116)
posted 3 minutes ago
only champion because of lewis problems sabotaged or not
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What problems?
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ERS - China & Russia
Grid demotion - Belgium
Engine Blowing up whilst in the lead in Malaysia

50 odd points there he lost at the very least
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Was he guaranteed those points? Hamilton has benefited from others misfortune in the past, stop whining about this season and move on.

If he's the driver all the british fans and press seem to think he is, then he'll have no problem winning next year in the best car on the grid with a partner who is unfamiliar with the car.
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Yes he was guaranteed those points as when his car has had no issues he was 1st or 2nd.

All drivers benefit from misfortune, for example Rosberg is a world champion because of misfortune to his team mate.

No one is whining, just you to be honest. Motorsport fans are discussing issues afflicting motorsport.

You can be the greatest driver on the planet but if your car breaks down you are screwed.

Think the world acknowledges Hamilton is the best driver out there at the moment. Not just Brits or the British press.

The British press criticise him constantly so I'm a bit puzzled by your statement.

You come across very bitter, to be honest
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Hamilton wasn't guaranteed wins in the last 4 races was it, when Rosberg settled for 2nd because that was all he needed.

Who knows, if Rosberg had needed victories he could have pushed Hamilton harder in those races.

Hamilton would have been better saying nothing and accepting he was beaten this time. Rosberg has held the high moral ground here and Hamilton just looks petulant.

How can i be bitter about something i have no vested interest in?
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Think you need to read my posts before you respond. Saves me having to repeat myself.

In the piece you replied to, I said he would have been first or second.

Rosberg could have fought a bit more but ultimately he has shown over the 4 years they have been team mates, he cannot beat Hamilton in a duel.

For someone with no vested interest, you sound quite bitter to be honest

posted on 6/12/16

comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 18 hours, 4 minutes ago
show me a "good" loser and I will show you a loser as the saying goes.....

He was referring to problems that hamilton had outwith his control that never stemmed onto the other driver in a similar car, you cannot deny that in this season there has been little to no comparison in terms of luck on the mechanical side of things with the car between Hamilton and Rosberg.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The key word in your comment is "luck", neither Rosberg or the team has any control over that.
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Yes and thats what the whole debate is about losing the title this year was taken from Hamilton due to luck not his own doing. If you dont think he was gonna win the race in malaysia before his engine blew or wasnt gonna score any points in the other races (would have had 2nd places at very least) then you are being stubborn or biased in your views.

I take nothing away from Rosberg he did what he had to do and no-one is undeserving of a WDC. But you cannot say that failures or bad luck rather than ability didnt cost Hamilton another WDC this year.

Also there is no certainty that Merc will be the no1 car. With every race the Bulls have been closing the gap and the rule changes are more likely to play into their hands a little more again.

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" But you cannot say that failures or bad luck rather than ability didnt cost Hamilton another WDC this year."

Yes i can. If you use that logic then you can't say Rosberg couldn't have done better than 2nd place in the final races of the season.

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Even if he had done better in the final 4 races, he would have come up short because of the 25 points in Malaysia alone.

He would not have done better in Brazil or Abu Dhabi though

We know how he is in the wet and in Abu Dhabi he could not have overtaken his teammate as demonstrated by the whining on the radio

posted on 6/12/16

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 20 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by sling yer hook (U9116)
posted 3 minutes ago
only champion because of lewis problems sabotaged or not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What problems?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

ERS - China & Russia
Grid demotion - Belgium
Engine Blowing up whilst in the lead in Malaysia

50 odd points there he lost at the very least
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was he guaranteed those points? Hamilton has benefited from others misfortune in the past, stop whining about this season and move on.

If he's the driver all the british fans and press seem to think he is, then he'll have no problem winning next year in the best car on the grid with a partner who is unfamiliar with the car.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes he was guaranteed those points as when his car has had no issues he was 1st or 2nd.

All drivers benefit from misfortune, for example Rosberg is a world champion because of misfortune to his team mate.

No one is whining, just you to be honest. Motorsport fans are discussing issues afflicting motorsport.

You can be the greatest driver on the planet but if your car breaks down you are screwed.

Think the world acknowledges Hamilton is the best driver out there at the moment. Not just Brits or the British press.

The British press criticise him constantly so I'm a bit puzzled by your statement.

You come across very bitter, to be honest
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hamilton wasn't guaranteed wins in the last 4 races was it, when Rosberg settled for 2nd because that was all he needed.

Who knows, if Rosberg had needed victories he could have pushed Hamilton harder in those races.

Hamilton would have been better saying nothing and accepting he was beaten this time. Rosberg has held the high moral ground here and Hamilton just looks petulant.

How can i be bitter about something i have no vested interest in?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Think you need to read my posts before you respond. Saves me having to repeat myself.

In the piece you replied to, I said he would have been first or second.

Rosberg could have fought a bit more but ultimately he has shown over the 4 years they have been team mates, he cannot beat Hamilton in a duel.

For someone with no vested interest, you sound quite bitter to be honest
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"In the piece you replied to, I said he would have been first or second."

So he finished no lower than 2nd all season?

"Rosberg could have fought a bit more but ultimately he has shown over the 4 years they have been team mates, he cannot beat Hamilton in a duel."

He hasn't beaten Hamilton in 4 years?

"For someone with no vested interest, you sound quite bitter to be honest"

I refer you to my previous comment.

posted on 6/12/16

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 18 hours, 4 minutes ago
show me a "good" loser and I will show you a loser as the saying goes.....

He was referring to problems that hamilton had outwith his control that never stemmed onto the other driver in a similar car, you cannot deny that in this season there has been little to no comparison in terms of luck on the mechanical side of things with the car between Hamilton and Rosberg.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The key word in your comment is "luck", neither Rosberg or the team has any control over that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Considering the way the season has panned out and the team orders at the last race. One has to question this "luck"
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How can you question "luck"?

posted on 6/12/16

comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 20 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by sling yer hook (U9116)
posted 3 minutes ago
only champion because of lewis problems sabotaged or not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What problems?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

ERS - China & Russia
Grid demotion - Belgium
Engine Blowing up whilst in the lead in Malaysia

50 odd points there he lost at the very least
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was he guaranteed those points? Hamilton has benefited from others misfortune in the past, stop whining about this season and move on.

If he's the driver all the british fans and press seem to think he is, then he'll have no problem winning next year in the best car on the grid with a partner who is unfamiliar with the car.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes he was guaranteed those points as when his car has had no issues he was 1st or 2nd.

All drivers benefit from misfortune, for example Rosberg is a world champion because of misfortune to his team mate.

No one is whining, just you to be honest. Motorsport fans are discussing issues afflicting motorsport.

You can be the greatest driver on the planet but if your car breaks down you are screwed.

Think the world acknowledges Hamilton is the best driver out there at the moment. Not just Brits or the British press.

The British press criticise him constantly so I'm a bit puzzled by your statement.

You come across very bitter, to be honest
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hamilton wasn't guaranteed wins in the last 4 races was it, when Rosberg settled for 2nd because that was all he needed.

Who knows, if Rosberg had needed victories he could have pushed Hamilton harder in those races.

Hamilton would have been better saying nothing and accepting he was beaten this time. Rosberg has held the high moral ground here and Hamilton just looks petulant.

How can i be bitter about something i have no vested interest in?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Think you need to read my posts before you respond. Saves me having to repeat myself.

In the piece you replied to, I said he would have been first or second.

Rosberg could have fought a bit more but ultimately he has shown over the 4 years they have been team mates, he cannot beat Hamilton in a duel.

For someone with no vested interest, you sound quite bitter to be honest
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"In the piece you replied to, I said he would have been first or second."

So he finished no lower than 2nd all season?

"Rosberg could have fought a bit more but ultimately he has shown over the 4 years they have been team mates, he cannot beat Hamilton in a duel."

He hasn't beaten Hamilton in 4 years?

"For someone with no vested interest, you sound quite bitter to be honest"

I refer you to my previous comment.


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Can you name a race last season where Hamilton had no issues and he finished outside the top 2?

Just name 1.

1 race

I'm all eyes

posted on 6/12/16

comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 18 hours, 4 minutes ago
show me a "good" loser and I will show you a loser as the saying goes.....

He was referring to problems that hamilton had outwith his control that never stemmed onto the other driver in a similar car, you cannot deny that in this season there has been little to no comparison in terms of luck on the mechanical side of things with the car between Hamilton and Rosberg.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The key word in your comment is "luck", neither Rosberg or the team has any control over that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Considering the way the season has panned out and the team orders at the last race. One has to question this "luck"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can you question "luck"?
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When the following teams use a Mercedes engine and none had the failures he had.

Mercedes
Williams
Force India
Manor

8 card with 5 engines per car all season. Only Hamiltons engines went pop.

So out of 40 engines, only his went pop and even the new one fitted in Malaysia

That's some luck isn't it

posted on 6/12/16

comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 23 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by spurgle5 (U4336)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by sling yer hook (U9116)
posted 3 minutes ago
only champion because of lewis problems sabotaged or not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What problems?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

ERS - China & Russia
Grid demotion - Belgium
Engine Blowing up whilst in the lead in Malaysia

50 odd points there he lost at the very least
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what, nobody else has ever had problems but Hamilton?

He's a great driver, loves to win and lets everyone know when he does but, he's a bad loser.
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Bad losers make good winners, in all sports. FACT.

posted on 6/12/16

No point in trying to debate the tinfoil hat brigade. According to them, Hamilton is the only driver in the history of F1 who has ever had a car failure, it's always due to sabotage and any time he has any sort of issue it's a guaranteed lost points as he's absolutely guaranteed to win every race. Even if he still ends up 2nd, he lost 25 points.

Just don't mention that he's only had 10 reliability-related retirements to his teammates' 17. Tends to make them a bit tetchy if you remind him about his good fortune.

posted on 7/12/16

There goes Hobo spouting his BS again. He will run away when asked to provide evidence

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