Morning all,
I didn't watch your match yesterday, but I've been reading through some of the comments and articles posted on the game, and the gist of it seems to be that you played well overall, but retreated more and more into your own half towards the end of the game.
If this isn't accurate, then by all means correct me.
By and large, there are generally two ways of blowing a lead, or indeed of closing out a match - gunning for another goal to put the game out of reach, or sitting back and relying on your defensive prowess.
In hindsight it's all too easy to lay the blame on the chosen approach, as it's generally far from certain that doing the opposite would have achieved the desired result.
My question to United fans is, do both approaches annoy you to the same extent? Do you find it easier to accept blowing a result as a result of being overly ambitious, or does it just as hard to swallow?
Just to nail my own colours to the mast, as a fan of a club that has generally favoured an attacking game, I find it feel far easier to accept being sucker punched because we've been true to ourselves and thrown caution to the wind than because we've retreated into our own box.
Over to you.
Two ways of blowing a lead
posted on 5/12/16
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 42 seconds ago
Its the opposite of LVG's philosophy. The opposition cannot score it they don't have the ball. What he forgot was in order to win a game, we need to score too, rather hold on to the ball just for the sake of it. Which resulted in some seriously boring football.
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LvG's was clearly a more defensve approach to the possession-based game, but imo that was partly because he lacked midfielders with a bit of magic in their boots to make things happen.
I would've been interested to see him given another season, if only to see if he'd have gone for a more incisive passer in midfield and what difference that might have made overall.
posted on 5/12/16
Go for a lay down you fool.
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Witty.... Not a bad attempt at a deflection of the fact that you needed a forum poster to point out a basic flaw in someone who you have been dismissing now for months after, apparently, watching him so much for Juve.
posted on 5/12/16
Not a bad attempt at a deflection of the fact that you needed a forum poster to point out a basic flaw in someone who you have been dismissing
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Not sure what your issue is here.
I don't have an issue if someone picks up on something I had not really picked up on.
But then I am not an agenda driven little weasel like you.
posted on 5/12/16
The only agenda I have is pointing out that you were clearly lying about seeing Pogba alot for Juve. It's a pet peeve of mine on here, if you don't know much a about a player... don't say much.. that's pretty simple.
I literally don't care that you need the blatantly obvious pointed out to you... It is something i've always known.
posted on 5/12/16
The only agenda I have is pointing out that you were clearly lying about seeing Pogba alot for Juve.
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No I clearly wasn't.
My opinion that he was vastly over rated, based on the few games I had seen him play for Juve and all of the Euros has been pretty much spot on.
You were being your usual obnoxious self on that thread as well.
I will look for it later on when I have time, just to remind you of the daft things you said then.
posted on 5/12/16
comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 42 seconds ago
Its the opposite of LVG's philosophy. The opposition cannot score it they don't have the ball. What he forgot was in order to win a game, we need to score too, rather hold on to the ball just for the sake of it. Which resulted in some seriously boring football.
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LvG's was clearly a more defensve approach to the possession-based game, but imo that was partly because he lacked midfielders with a bit of magic in their boots to make things happen.
I would've been interested to see him given another season, if only to see if he'd have gone for a more incisive passer in midfield and what difference that might have made overall.
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Man Utd weren't getting anywhere with LVG in charge. Don't forget he spent in excess of £250m and still didn't get right. It was a correct decision to get rid of him imo.
At least Jose will probably get it right if given time I think he is capable of turning things around, but he has to adapt, his old methods, cleary not working anymore.
posted on 5/12/16
I'm sure most would prefer to see their club try and are more accepting when you've conceded from trying to be positive but that can also be seen as naive.
Yesterday was a poor game and the longer it went on the more you felt that not getting a second could be costly but I understand that the mentality of our players now will be fragile and there is a desire to just get the win however and sitting deeper is a natural reaction when confidence is low.
Easy to critise when you've watching a game, far harder to get out of that mentality when playing. We all can see that a few wins could transform our mentality and confidence and for now getting that first win or 2 may well be scrappy but if we can and confidence improves then hopefully we will see a side more willing to kill games with a second or third goal.
No doubt Jose isn't doing enough and the longer this continues the more likelihood he'll be gone sooner rather than later. But I still feel he deserves more time, thisnis a huge job for any manager.
posted on 5/12/16
Man Utd weren't getting anywhere with LVG in charge.
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If by weren't getting anywhere you mean improved from 7th to 4th and then an FA cup and missing out on 4th by GD then yeah we clearly weren't getting anywhere...
Whereas Mou has us back down to Moyes levels...
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Don't forget he spent in excess of £250m and still didn't get right.
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Smallest net spend per season out of the 3 post SAF managers and the only one to actually show improvement for his spend.
posted on 5/12/16
and the only one to actually show improvement for his spend.
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Improvement in my insomnia maybe.
I think some folk here still have stockholm syndrome from LvG's time (and I was not some LvG out maniac)
posted on 5/12/16
As exciting as it was/is getting thrashed under Moyes every week or drawing every week under Mourinho I can't say I've noticed much difference...
Regardless better results and bringing through the youth players is much more important than slightly better performances.