Some want him in.
Some want him out.
More people wanted out than in for Brexit, and I think probably more people want Wenger out than in, so he's like Brexit in that respect. And like Brexit, things might get worse before they get better. The Wenginers will say we shouldnt risk it and the Wengexiters will say its worth the risk.
Here ends my comparison.....
Wenger is like Brexit
posted on 21/2/17
Your problems start with your cheap ass owner.
Seen him run things here in the States. All his teams are in dire state except for the Utah Jazz and it's much easier to become good in basketball.
posted on 21/2/17
Were the remainers not telling porkies?
http://news.sky.com/story/carney-eyes-smooth-brexit-scenario-that-could-mean-higher-growth-and-interest-rates-10776321
posted on 21/2/17
Sorry. Got my #altfacts wrong. Kroenke owns the Nuggets, which proves my point actually.
posted on 21/2/17
comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 1 minute ago
Were the remainers not telling porkies?
http://news.sky.com/story/carney-eyes-smooth-brexit-scenario-that-could-mean-higher-growth-and-interest-rates-10776321
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The BoE (and every other forecast) prior to the referendum was not based on any steadfast data. Simply because no one knew what our future relationship with the EU was going to look like, and as no other country had left the EU before.
For example the OBR report was unable to make definitive projections, as the government had not told them of their intentions. Remember the “playing our cards close” nonsense?
Therefore economists were unable to base a projection on Single Market access. Customs Union etc. Or how businesses would react.
We’ve now reached a situation in which the government are instead of looking for the least destructive option (ie placing the economy first) but instead are pursuing a political path. One, which when reality bites, I believe will come back to haunt them.
posted on 21/2/17
I asked a leave campaigner before Brexit what the actual amount we hand over to the EU is. That is the total paid by the UK government, that we do not have any control (as a country) over how it is spent. I made it clear it did not take into account the money the EU pays in subsidies to the UK.
He gave this speech about how they have been told not to lie to anyone about anything and the remain campaign is (was) built on truth. He then lied and said the amount including deductions for subsidies paid to us.
Both sides were as bad as each other.
posted on 21/2/17
comment by Should he stay or should he go? (U16927)
posted 4 minutes ago
I asked a leave campaigner before Brexit what the actual amount we hand over to the EU is. That is the total paid by the UK government, that we do not have any control (as a country) over how it is spent. I made it clear it did not take into account the money the EU pays in subsidies to the UK.
He gave this speech about how they have been told not to lie to anyone about anything and the remain campaign is (was) built on truth. He then lied and said the amount including deductions for subsidies paid to us.
Both sides were as bad as each other.
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I’ve copied a post I’d mentioned on the Brexit thread re EU payments rather than regurgitate.
Dominic Cummings (Director of Vote Leave) believed it (£350m) was the main reason why they won. Despite knowing it was false.
He stated there was much deliberation and dispute within the leave campaign, with many stating 'you can't say that.' However they were behind in the polls, and linking it to the NHS would be extremely incendiary. It worked.
Vote Leave also leafleted hospitals across the country, with health service propaganda leaflets designed to look like official NHS ones.
Regretfully the entire debate surrounded the figure, rather than context.
The public were never informed what 'we get for our buck' and how, (and how much it would cost) the UK will replace the many services provided by (EU) Commission. Which is essentially an enormous civil service, acting on behalf of all EU members.
Even if the UK saved £350m a week after Brexit, the long term costs of replacing the numerous services, (especially governance and regulatory) provided by the commission, will be considerably more than £350m a week.
It's a bit like a market stall paying ground rent. Rentals, whilst giving access to the market, also provide access to a host of other services. Heating, electricity, cleaners, advertising, accounting etc etc. But in isolation, outside of the market, these ancillary benefits will no longer be accessible.
Unfortunately the Remain campaign over egged some of their claims. Which resulted in a lot of genuine factual information being caught up in the "project fear" rhetoric.
posted on 21/2/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 5 minutes ago
Both the EU and Arsenal are also run by elites who don't care about the people (fans)
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Whilst it's true KSE have little interest in 'fans' not sure the same could be said about the "elites" in the EU. Who are these people??
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The EU beaurocrats just want a United States of Europe so they have control over the worlds biggest economy. They couldn't give a toss about sky high youth unemployment in Southern Europe for example
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I assume you are referring to Ukip?
As far as EU bureaucracy is concerned they are by far, the worst offenders (followed by other UK parties).
In that their MEP’s abused the system (on many occasions fraudulently) more than any of their European counterparts. I believe the most recent Commission investigations into Ukip expenses, (at UK tax payers cost) fraud are ongoing.
The EU is already the largest economy, (as far as trading is concerned) hence the US (and Russian) attempts to destabilise.
In regard to the OP, the main difference is that the reasons many want AW to step down are tangible. Unlike the ‘unicorns’ suggested by the Leave campaign which were unquantifiable and in most cases demonstrably false.
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Someones been lapping up the propaganda.
UKIP are undoubtedly a questionable organisation at best, but there are a lot of question marks over the liberal elite left wing as well. They are the ones creating dependency on benefits rather than than jobs. They are the ones the working class have rejected with the Brexit vote.
The Remoaners love rolling out the fact that the less educated and older people are the ones who voted to leave. It is clear that the less educated voted to leave because they feel that they are being left behind as things stand and are worse off with the current situation. The old remember what it was like before we were in the EU, which was before my time.
The ones who wanted to remain are the liberal elite and the ones who they have indoctrinated into their way of thinking. I was reading something the other day about how they have used their vast wealth to effectively buy the teaching unions and profession to peddle doctrine. Whether that is true or not, it is true that the teaching profession is very liberal left leaning.
And as it is with Arsenal, the elite think they know best and what is best for the club and the fans. All the time they are creaming money off the top to fill their own pockets.
posted on 21/2/17
We get money back from the EU but we have no choice how to spend it
which is why £350 million is correct in a way. that 350 million we have no control over.
posted on 21/2/17
comment by Should he stay or should he go? (U16927)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 5 minutes ago
Both the EU and Arsenal are also run by elites who don't care about the people (fans)
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Whilst it's true KSE have little interest in 'fans' not sure the same could be said about the "elites" in the EU. Who are these people??
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The EU beaurocrats just want a United States of Europe so they have control over the worlds biggest economy. They couldn't give a toss about sky high youth unemployment in Southern Europe for example
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I assume you are referring to Ukip?
As far as EU bureaucracy is concerned they are by far, the worst offenders (followed by other UK parties).
In that their MEP’s abused the system (on many occasions fraudulently) more than any of their European counterparts. I believe the most recent Commission investigations into Ukip expenses, (at UK tax payers cost) fraud are ongoing.
The EU is already the largest economy, (as far as trading is concerned) hence the US (and Russian) attempts to destabilise.
In regard to the OP, the main difference is that the reasons many want AW to step down are tangible. Unlike the ‘unicorns’ suggested by the Leave campaign which were unquantifiable and in most cases demonstrably false.
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Someones been lapping up the propaganda.
UKIP are undoubtedly a questionable organisation at best, but there are a lot of question marks over the liberal elite left wing as well. They are the ones creating dependency on benefits rather than than jobs. They are the ones the working class have rejected with the Brexit vote.
The Remoaners love rolling out the fact that the less educated and older people are the ones who voted to leave. It is clear that the less educated voted to leave because they feel that they are being left behind as things stand and are worse off with the current situation. The old remember what it was like before we were in the EU, which was before my time.
The ones who wanted to remain are the liberal elite and the ones who they have indoctrinated into their way of thinking. I was reading something the other day about how they have used their vast wealth to effectively buy the teaching unions and profession to peddle doctrine. Whether that is true or not, it is true that the teaching profession is very liberal left leaning.
And as it is with Arsenal, the elite think they know best and what is best for the club and the fans. All the time they are creaming money off the top to fill their own pockets.
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Which of my claims were untrue?
posted on 21/2/17
comment by Super Kami Willy (U9880)
posted 3 minutes ago
We get money back from the EU but we have no choice how to spend it
which is why £350 million is correct in a way. that 350 million we have no control over.
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Complete nonsense. Even Cummings, the Director of Vote Leave admitted it was false.
The Commons Select committee interviewed Cummings (video on You Tube) if you would like to view him (begrudgingly) conceding the claim was misleading and inaccurate.