15/16 Squad goals vs 16/17

comment by GeniusGreaves Optimist Supreme (U1302)
posted 38 minutes ago
Being slightly over sensitive I think Ledders

'Not at all, but I am also entitled to air my views on those too.'

'Not sure what the point of this post is really, except to criticise??

There are a few names in our starting XI who should be embarrassed if they finish the season without scoring a single goal.

_____________________________

If that last comment is not criticising, then I don't know what is.

Now I am all for debate, however if I think something is not right then I will post on it accordingly.

Why am I all defensive you ask??

I am pointing out that I think the criticism (which it is) is entirely misplaced and wrong. This is not being defensive at all, it is airing my viewpoint.

Funny how the obvious is ignored for a negative view

We are 2nd in the PL, great GD & the 2nd best defence in the league, in the Semi Final of the FA Cup, yet we still find time to pick out alleged faults in the defence.

A few years ago, defending in the team was atrocious and we were guaranteed to leak goals right left and centre. Now when we are solid, we go looking for reasons to say players should be embarrassed at not scoring.
I wonder what the comments would be if Toby & Co, had scored say 10 goals between them but had conceded even more. Let me guess, oh yes, they should be focused on keeping goals out.






----------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm being sensitive?

A poster makes a valid point that while we are doing well it would be nice if our CB's chipped in with the odd goal and you get all defensive by stating they've been injured which is why they haven't done so and that their job is to stop others from scoring rather than scoring themselves....

So when Alderweireld and Vertonghen got injured did we stop playing with CB's? Or are they the only ones who are allowed to score?

So if it's their job to defend and not score, does that give license to Kane, Alli etc to never tackle anyone as that's classed as defending?



There's nothing wrong with being a supporter of a club but there's such thing as being blinkered to the point you won't have anything that's not 200% positive said about them.

OP wasn't saying we should sell them for inferior defenders who score more goals or that they should all morph into Sergio Ramos, Diego Godwin or John Terry, he was just highlighting an area for some slight improvement - which is seemingly a crime in your eyes.

Everyone else took the article on a positive perspective, YOU were the one who viewed it in a negative tone.

Not really GG; it was a statistical analysis of our team this season compared to last season + other title winning teams.

I want us to win trophies, and if you look at what is really missing it is contribution from our back 5 in terms of goals + Dembele. Bare in mind that we now tend to play with 5 defenders, we really need them to step up.

Eriksen's delivery hasn't been great, but the hyperbole around how poor it has been is a bit OTT. From memory I can think of a fair few missed chances from our defenders which we really should have done better with. Again, room for improvement, but I know Toby/Eric etc would be disappointed with themselves if they hadn't scored a goal this season. Especially considering how many corners we get a game.

If you go back to 2014/15 season, we conceded 53 goals. This season we have conceded only 21 goals, so overall I think the defence is doing its job.

Ledders, when we lost Toby & Verts I think that Wimmer and Dier were more cautious in their approach.

However, I do think that Edinspur is correct in suggesting we should score more from corners, but our delivery of these is woeful.

As good as Eriksen is, his delivery from corners is average to poor. I think we need to get some one else taking them. Lamela was good when he played, would probably suggest Rose when fit & Tripper when he plays. Other than that we are light on good dead ball strikers from corners.


Ledders..................................If you are going to quote, then please do so accurately. Edinspur actually said players should be EMBARRASSED at not scoring & that is what I picked up on.

I have often posted criticism of the team this season, and occasionally called into question Poch's tactics regarding substitutions, especially late in the game.

Edinspur.......................................I do understand your point and I think using the word disappointed is much better in terms of the lack of goals Toby & Co have contributed this season.

I think both Toby and Jan have hit the post on a few occasions this season & Forster made an excellent save to deny Toby a goal on Saturday. A little more luck and we could have had a few more goals to our tally.

For all the criticism Eriksen gets for his corners, which obviously could be better, how about this for some stats:

Inside the box in the premier league this season we have had:
15 shots from Toby
11 shots from Walker
8 Shots from Dier
6 shots from Vertonghen
2 shots from Davies

That is 43 shots inside the box and 0 goals; which is painfully unclinical and the difference between us and Chelsea.

Also you are reading too much into the word 'embarrassed'. I know that if you speak to Dembele, Toby, Eric or Jan and ask them how they would feel about not scoring this season they would be disappointed with themselves.

Toby scored 1 goal in 26 PL games for Southampton.

He scored 4 for us in 38 matches.

Jan has only scored 5 PL goals for us since the 2012-13 season, 4 in that season and 1 in 2014-15 season. He has played 141 times for Spurs in the PL.

Danny Rose has 9 goals in 139 appearances in the PL, going back to the 2009-10 season.

Kyle Walker has scored 5 goals (1 at Aston Villa on loan) in 192 PL appearances.

These show we have never really had a great goal contribution from our back line, which in one way strengthens Edinspur's argument about them contributing more, whilst at the same time showing that it is an area we have never relied on in terms of winning matches from their goal input.

Just to put it into perspective the great Ledley King only ever scored 10 goals for us in over 268 games.

You are comparing tallies to the wrong players though IMO GG.

Look at other title winning teams over the past decade and they have relied on their defence to score important goals from corners when the attack isn't clicking. If we want to improve next year, then a more spread out goal contribution is key.

I don't disagree that more goals from other quarters would help us enormously.

By improvement I assume you meaning winning the PL or progressing to the later stages of the CL or winning the FA Cup? Again I would agree on that point.

comment by GeniusGreaves Optimist Supreme (U1302)
posted 1 hour ago
If you go back to 2014/15 season, we conceded 53 goals. This season we have conceded only 21 goals, so overall I think the defence is doing its job.

Ledders, when we lost Toby & Verts I think that Wimmer and Dier were more cautious in their approach.

However, I do think that Edinspur is correct in suggesting we should score more from corners, but our delivery of these is woeful.

As good as Eriksen is, his delivery from corners is average to poor. I think we need to get some one else taking them. Lamela was good when he played, would probably suggest Rose when fit & Tripper when he plays. Other than that we are light on good dead ball strikers from corners.


Ledders..................................If you are going to quote, then please do so accurately. Edinspur actually said players should be EMBARRASSED at not scoring & that is what I picked up on.

I have often posted criticism of the team this season, and occasionally called into question Poch's tactics regarding substitutions, especially late in the game.

Edinspur.......................................I do understand your point and I think using the word disappointed is much better in terms of the lack of goals Toby & Co have contributed this season.

I think both Toby and Jan have hit the post on a few occasions this season & Forster made an excellent save to deny Toby a goal on Saturday. A little more luck and we could have had a few more goals to our tally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I haven't quoted anyone inaccurately. I just didn't quote the OP.

Did I quote what you said accurately? I believe I did. So before telling someone to quote accurately, find the error first to back up your point.

That's all I have to say to you on this matter.

A poster makes a valid point that while we are doing well it would be nice if our CB's chipped in with the odd goal and you get all defensive by stating they've been injured which is why they haven't done so and that their job is to stop others from scoring rather than scoring themselves....
_________________________________

Funny how you missed the word embarrassed?