From a left wing perspective leaving the E£U is not the problem and I truly believe leaving the E£U will bring great success to our country. It was always the far left who stood up against the E£U with socialists like Tony Benn and Corbyn who campaigned vigorously against it for many years as well as the Green party. It was only when more and more Conservatives grew against it in the late 80's and the emergence of Nigel Farage which led to many people on the left to believe it is some sort of liberal organisation- when it is anything but. An organisation which does not allow countries which are deemed not wealthy enough to join and blocks trade with nations outside their club by placing murderous tariffs on anyone not in the E£U therefore keeping all the wealth for themselves can only be described as a conservative movement not a liberal one. Just imagine what countries like Malawi, Sudan, Kenya etc. Could have been like if for the past 40 years they had not had their trade with large economies like Germany, Italy and the UK blocked through tariffs such as 32% on beef and 60% on wine. How anyone on the left could possibly support this barbaric organisation is beyond me. The problem we have is not leaving the E£U but how a conservative party strongly influenced by UKIP could use our rightful extra powers to hurt immigrants or workers. In the same way if you were to give 10000 pounds to most people it would greatly improve their life but to someone who is self destructive it could actually harm them, a labour government will be able to take advantage of leaving the E£U by reaching out to the world whilst the conservatives will take us to the dark ages if they get back in. So let's get a.labour government who can make success of this instead of crying about leaving this monstrous organization
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posted on 30/4/17
Just Shoot
Unfortunately under funding and cuts are self inflicted. Was discussed on Marr this morning with May, and when he pointed out that nurse's pay hasn't changed in 14 years, was met with the usual meaningless soundbites.
He also raised the point that many nurses are having to use food banks. Which May again glossed over.
The government aren't even looking after existing staff never mind investing in training.
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posted on 30/4/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
TBAB
I did. The clue is in the name. "Union"
Of course the EU is going to look out for it's members. The point he was making was the guise that this election gives May a stronger mandate. More nonsense.
The Tories could have every single seat in Westminster and it wouldn't have any relevance to a50 negotiatons.
It took the EU27 less than four minutes to agree their negotiating position, as thanks to the UK government's incompetence, May revealed their intentions during her speech at the Tory party conference last year.
The UK now subject to a process they can't control, in an impossible timeline. Facing an opponent who are larger, stronger, and have less to lose than us.
Still keep believing in those fairies and unicorns
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OK
Do you just ignore the leave vote altogether, like lib dems and Blair want, and demand a second vote?
If we get a poor deal from the Eu, do you back a vote on that......by the way, can the UK vote remain or back in sometime?
posted on 30/4/17
Stuart
I thought Marr was superb, and nurses going to food banks is shameful, and May failed to address that.
Same on schools and poor working families having to survive, rather than succeed.
My problem is, I think Corbyn does not have a paid for alternative, and lib dems are not for me!
posted on 30/4/17
We could apply I think but we would pretty much be their biatches, I suspect all the exemptios we had would be off the table. Nope once we are out that's it I believe, for a long time to come.
posted on 30/4/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just Shoot
Unfortunately under funding and cuts are self inflicted. Was discussed on Marr this morning with May, and when he pointed out that nurse's pay hasn't changed in 14 years, was met with the usual meaningless soundbites.
He also raised the point that many nurses are having to use food banks. Which May again glossed over.
The government aren't even looking after existing staff never mind investing in training.
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Bloody disgusting if you ask me.
I've been quite fortunate, in that I have travelled quite a lot and lived in two other countries, and the thing that stands out to me the most is health and education. We are so lucky in that it is free, but we really should be investing heavily in to it.
I don't necessarily think it needs a huge amount of extra investment, just wiser investment. Both sectors seem to waste money on things that aren't really necessary or become obsolete quickly. Shame.
Whenever I'm speaking to colleagues around the world and banter starts with regard to 'what country is better'. I just bring up, 'A society cannot be civilised if health and education are for the privileged'. End of discussion.
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UK debt is now up to 89% of GDP.
With the inevitable eye watering costs, and long term implications of brexit, the government will be forced into making more public spending cuts. Currently up to 3 & 6%.
We're all going to be paying for this mess for many years to come.
posted on 30/4/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
TBAB
I did. The clue is in the name. "Union"
Of course the EU is going to look out for it's members. The point he was making was the guise that this election gives May a stronger mandate. More nonsense.
The Tories could have every single seat in Westminster and it wouldn't have any relevance to a50 negotiatons.
It took the EU27 less than four minutes to agree their negotiating position, as thanks to the UK government's incompetence, May revealed their intentions during her speech at the Tory party conference last year.
The UK now subject to a process they can't control, in an impossible timeline. Facing an opponent who are larger, stronger, and have less to lose than us.
Still keep believing in those fairies and unicorns
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OK
Do you just ignore the leave vote altogether, like lib dems and Blair want, and demand a second vote?
If we get a poor deal from the Eu, do you back a vote on that......by the way, can the UK vote remain or back in sometime?
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Whatever trade deal is eventually struck, it will not be able to replicate membership. No FTA ever could.
Sadly there are too many people in the country who (1) want out, (2) suits the wealthy utilising tax avoidance schemes, and (3) have been duped by 40+yrs of misinformation.
At least the EU27 are mindful of the implications to northern Ireland, placing a resolution front and centre. Whilst the Tories couldn't care less. As evidenced by the solitary paragraph dedicated to NI on the very last page of their Brexit white paper.
posted on 30/4/17
My union Nipsa is far broad left, and backed brexit as did some leftist activists, and dissident republicans.
Eamon McCann and PBP voted leave too, so not al! About little England, or the right.
posted on 30/4/17
Plenty of Euroscepticism from all sides of the political spectrum.
Just that in the UK, anti EU sentiment has been driven by Ukip, and right wing elements within the conservative party, and associated press.