Rochdale child grooming - lesson not learnt

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Babyen møtte snikmorder (U9094)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 2 minutes ago
As for the OP it is impossible to stop crimes like this being committed in every instance. I don't think people are being failed, on the whole.
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Agree. People see/read things like this, and understandably get angry, distraught even. Reality is, you can't stop all evil, even with the best will in the world. Better funding of public services would help though, but that's another debate.
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Have you watched the programme or read the reports? There were serious failings in this case and it was happening for years before anything was done.
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Not denying there were failings, and serious ones at that. Trust me when I say that I have been in a situation where I have been caught up in a scenario like this. Nothing is as straight forward as what is reported in the media. The failing come from the ones that sit in higher office, and don't "get" what goes on in ground level. Very difficult to point the finger of blame, because the system is flawed. And that is because of underfunding of the public sector.

It seems to be something that the people often in power have been guilty of. The church and senior politicians are known to have harboured child groomers for decades/centuries in the UK and Ireland.

Now we have Islam which hasn't moved on from child brides in many countries and very much fosters the wilful degradation of women/girls.

As others have mentioned there's also a knock on effect not just an awful immediate one.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
Murderers and child abusers don't deserve jail. They don't deserve anything other than a length of rope and a sudden drop.
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I agree entirely. What use can they be to society? All they can do is harm more people and pass down/on their warped views on life.
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I don't agree, for the sheer fact we are meant to be better than these people. If we start executing people even ones that have committed serious crimes then we are absolutley no better than them.

Lock them up forever, by all means.

Also eventually someone will be wrongly prosecuted and sending an innocent person to death row shouldn't sit right with anyone.
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I don't buy that being as bad as them. We wouldn't be executing them for our own pleasure, but as a punishment
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That would absolutley make us as society as bad as them. Most people don't murder for pleasure. Usually there is a reason behind it. Whatever that maybe. If we start executing them then how are we better than them.

Also someone raised this point the other day and it's very good, I think people give it the billy big ones about killing serious offenders but if they were the ones who had to do it they'd realise what they were doing is wrong, much like the scene in the dark knight rises where the guy bottles pulling the trigger to blow the boat up with all criminals on it.



. I do agree about innocent people getting prosecuted/killed though. It would happen. It'd have to be in cases where the evidence was so overwhelming that there was no doubt. Deciding where that line is would be the problem and there wold likely be mistakes.
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Have you watched making a murderer, that's the sort of crime most would advocate the death penalty for and that's why you cannot have it.

comment by Babyen møtte snikmorder (U9094)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Babyen møtte snikmorder (U9094)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 2 minutes ago
As for the OP it is impossible to stop crimes like this being committed in every instance. I don't think people are being failed, on the whole.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree. People see/read things like this, and understandably get angry, distraught even. Reality is, you can't stop all evil, even with the best will in the world. Better funding of public services would help though, but that's another debate.
--------------------

Have you watched the programme or read the reports? There were serious failings in this case and it was happening for years before anything was done.
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Not denying there were failings, and serious ones at that. Trust me when I say that I have been in a situation where I have been caught up in a scenario like this. Nothing is as straight forward as what is reported in the media. The failing come from the ones that sit in higher office, and don't "get" what goes on in ground level. Very difficult to point the finger of blame, because the system is flawed. And that is because of underfunding of the public sector.
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The police is massively under funded and under staffed. When their is a failing like this I understand it because the resources simply are there and cracks will appear.

It's the same with the NHS. Over worked, under staffed, under funded.

To say there's not cases without doubt is just wrong. For certain cases there's no good reason why the death penalty isn't appropriate. Although 50 years of jail is likely far worse than death anyway.

comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
Murderers and child abusers don't deserve jail. They don't deserve anything other than a length of rope and a sudden drop.
------------------

I agree entirely. What use can they be to society? All they can do is harm more people and pass down/on their warped views on life.
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I don't agree, for the sheer fact we are meant to be better than these people. If we start executing people even ones that have committed serious crimes then we are absolutley no better than them.

Lock them up forever, by all means.

Also eventually someone will be wrongly prosecuted and sending an innocent person to death row shouldn't sit right with anyone.
-----------------------------

I don't buy that being as bad as them. We wouldn't be executing them for our own pleasure, but as a punishment
-----

That would absolutley make us as society as bad as them. Most people don't murder for pleasure. Usually there is a reason behind it. Whatever that maybe. If we start executing them then how are we better than them.

Also someone raised this point the other day and it's very good, I think people give it the billy big ones about killing serious offenders but if they were the ones who had to do it they'd realise what they were doing is wrong, much like the scene in the dark knight rises where the guy bottles pulling the trigger to blow the boat up with all criminals on it.



. I do agree about innocent people getting prosecuted/killed though. It would happen. It'd have to be in cases where the evidence was so overwhelming that there was no doubt. Deciding where that line is would be the problem and there wold likely be mistakes.
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Have you watched making a murderer, that's the sort of crime most would advocate the death penalty for and that's why you cannot have it.
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I made a start watching it, but my wife got bored of it, so we knocked it on the head. I know where you are coming from - mistakes would happen. But in theory, I wouldn't be against executing these people. Especially peados, rapists and murderers where they are repeat offenders.

The press and courts are more interested in shutting kodi down then they are dealing with Asian rape gangs and pedo politicians.

comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
The press and courts are more interested in shutting kodi down then they are dealing with Asian rape gangs and pedo politicians.
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Money comes before morals and decency these days.

Somebody who deals pills can get as much as 15 years. Somebody who rapes a child of age of 3 or 4 can get almost half that time in Jail.

We lived in a messed up world.

comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
The press and courts are more interested in shutting kodi down then they are dealing with Asian rape gangs and pedo politicians.
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Money comes before morals and decency these days.

Somebody who deals pills can get as much as 15 years. Somebody who rapes a child of age of 3 or 4 can get almost half that time in Jail.

We lived in a messed up world.
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What do you mean these days? Money has always and always will come first.

That's why corbyn has my vote, he will hold companies and people who think they are above all of that because they have money, accountable.

comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
The press and courts are more interested in shutting kodi down then they are dealing with Asian rape gangs and pedo politicians.
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Money comes before morals and decency these days.

Somebody who deals pills can get as much as 15 years. Somebody who rapes a child of age of 3 or 4 can get almost half that time in Jail.

We lived in a messed up world.
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We do and it's time to bring some semblance of justice back