Morning chaps, hope you are well. Terrible race over the weekend and I understand the prestige and all that jazz but this race has got to be binned.
I must admit, I was shocked by the reactions to Ferrari's stealth team order and was asking myself, why are you guys surprised by this?
I personally was impressed that Kimi was not told that Seb was faster than him. Whilst I see the benefit in maximising points for Seb, the last thing Ferrari need is a demotivated Kimi. We know what usually happens then.
Roll on Canada, where good races are almost a cast iron guarantee. Would be interesting to see the upgrades that come for that race.
Looking at the cars, it appears to me that the Merc hates the ultra soft tyre and has been designed for proper circuits (which makes sense) as it struggles on "street circuits."
25 point gap in the championship, can Lewis pull it back? Or is Seb nailed in for title number 5?
Why are people surprised?
posted on 1/6/17
Listen, I'm not saying they can't/shouldn't do it but further proof it was deliberate can be found by looking at how Mercedes handled Rosberg and Hamilton last year when they were working to give them equal strategy. There's no way Hamilton wouls have been given three or four extra laps to perform the overcut.
posted on 1/6/17
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by mariory (U8059)
posted 1 day, 18 hours ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Feyenoord Champions (U1250)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
Didnt see the race, what was team order was this?
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Ferrari strategically brought Kimi in early and released him into traffic allowing Seb to make a pass during the pit stop window
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I completely disagree with this.
1. Kimi was clearly struggling on his tyres
2. Bottas and verstappen who were not that far behind had already made their pit stops and were on fresher tyres.
3. Kimi himself was already asking for a pitstop (see point 1)
4. Kimi needed to up his pace but couldn't (see point one). Kimi could only manage low 1min 16s while Seb once in clear air was hitting low 1min 15s.
Seb was by far the faster driver. This was also confirmed by other team bosses.
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Kimi disagrees with you I', afraid
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I believe when Kimi made that statement he was still smarting from the loss. In the cold light of day and gking by logic the right man won.
Kimi was not fast enough when it mattered. Simples!
For Kimi to have won the race, Vettel would have had to be held back by the team (which would have endangered him with regards to Ricciardo in the orther red bull. In fact one could make the case that the race lead for Ferrari would have been at risk becos of the red bull's pace vrs Kimi's pace)
Hamilton & Mercedes fans simply have to do it on the track instead of trying to push conspiracy theories in the press or social media.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/may/29/kimi-raikkonen-sebastian-vettel-ferrari-lewis-hamilton-fernando-alonso-monaco-f1
http://www.autosport.com/premium/feature/7548/why-raikkonen-is-at-fault-for-monaco-defeat
And for those trying to pretend like they have forgotten.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/Formula1/f1-bahrain-grand-prix-2017-valtteri-bottas-lewis-hamilton-mercedes-team-orders-a7687126.html%3Famp
posted on 1/6/17
comment by mariory (U8059)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by mariory (U8059)
posted 1 day, 18 hours ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Feyenoord Champions (U1250)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
Didnt see the race, what was team order was this?
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Ferrari strategically brought Kimi in early and released him into traffic allowing Seb to make a pass during the pit stop window
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I completely disagree with this.
1. Kimi was clearly struggling on his tyres
2. Bottas and verstappen who were not that far behind had already made their pit stops and were on fresher tyres.
3. Kimi himself was already asking for a pitstop (see point 1)
4. Kimi needed to up his pace but couldn't (see point one). Kimi could only manage low 1min 16s while Seb once in clear air was hitting low 1min 15s.
Seb was by far the faster driver. This was also confirmed by other team bosses.
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Kimi disagrees with you I', afraid
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I believe when Kimi made that statement he was still smarting from the loss. In the cold light of day and gking by logic the right man won.
Kimi was not fast enough when it mattered. Simples!
For Kimi to have won the race, Vettel would have had to be held back by the team (which would have endangered him with regards to Ricciardo in the orther red bull. In fact one could make the case that the race lead for Ferrari would have been at risk becos of the red bull's pace vrs Kimi's pace)
Hamilton & Mercedes fans simply have to do it on the track instead of trying to push conspiracy theories in the press or social media.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/may/29/kimi-raikkonen-sebastian-vettel-ferrari-lewis-hamilton-fernando-alonso-monaco-f1
http://www.autosport.com/premium/feature/7548/why-raikkonen-is-at-fault-for-monaco-defeat
And for those trying to pretend like they have forgotten.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/Formula1/f1-bahrain-grand-prix-2017-valtteri-bottas-lewis-hamilton-mercedes-team-orders-a7687126.html%3Famp
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Anderson is entitled to his opinion but the overcut worked and the Ferraris were never threatened by anyone.
Why was Kimi released into traffic?
I'm not sure why you brought up Hamilton and Bottas here, no one is denying that team order.
posted on 1/6/17
Ferrari strategically brought Kimi in early and released him into traffic allowing Seb to make a pass.
Why was Kimi released into traffic?
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Because he wasn't fast enough when he needed
I'm not sure why you brought up Hamilton and Bottas here, no one is denying that team order.
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Well because here you have actual team orders that actually gave Hamilton more points. And it's a non event.
Whereas with Ferrari, you have "theories" that certain quaters are attempting to make big news.
Suffice to say the blatant hyprocrisy is startling.
posted on 2/6/17
dont take it it personally Mariory, MUDD just has a disliking to Vettel.
I agree with you Kimi didnt have the pace when it mattered most. Not really that much of a surprise Seb was quicker all weekend the only surprise was Kimi pulled it out the bag come quali.
These newer generation cars defo suit someone like Seb more, so he could be now considered favourite for the WDC. Still hope Lewis can turn it around tho and they defo can they will use Bottas as the number 2 very much like Ferrari will use Kimi in the same fashion.
Still think that if you had cars that could follow closely and properly race wheel to wheel that Lewis would come out on top almost all the time.
posted on 2/6/17
comment by mariory (U8059)
posted 1 day ago
Ferrari strategically brought Kimi in early and released him into traffic allowing Seb to make a pass.
Why was Kimi released into traffic?
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Because he wasn't fast enough when he needed
I'm not sure why you brought up Hamilton and Bottas here, no one is denying that team order.
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Well because here you have actual team orders that actually gave Hamilton more points. And it's a non event.
Whereas with Ferrari, you have "theories" that certain quaters are attempting to make big news.
Suffice to say the blatant hyprocrisy is startling.
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It was a non event because he was clearly quicker and did not cost his team mate a race win.
You are comparing Apples and oranges
posted on 2/6/17
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by mariory (U8059)
posted 1 day ago
Ferrari strategically brought Kimi in early and released him into traffic allowing Seb to make a pass.
Why was Kimi released into traffic?
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Because he wasn't fast enough when he needed
I'm not sure why you brought up Hamilton and Bottas here, no one is denying that team order.
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Well because here you have actual team orders that actually gave Hamilton more points. And it's a non event.
Whereas with Ferrari, you have "theories" that certain quaters are attempting to make big news.
Suffice to say the blatant hyprocrisy is startling.
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It was a non event because he was clearly quicker and did not cost his team mate a race win.
You are comparing Apples and oranges
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No offense but that is nonsensical. The points add up at the end of the season.
posted on 5/6/17
comment by mariory (U8059)
posted 2 days, 14 hours ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by mariory (U8059)
posted 1 day ago
Ferrari strategically brought Kimi in early and released him into traffic allowing Seb to make a pass.
Why was Kimi released into traffic?
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Because he wasn't fast enough when he needed
I'm not sure why you brought up Hamilton and Bottas here, no one is denying that team order.
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Well because here you have actual team orders that actually gave Hamilton more points. And it's a non event.
Whereas with Ferrari, you have "theories" that certain quaters are attempting to make big news.
Suffice to say the blatant hyprocrisy is startling.
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It was a non event because he was clearly quicker and did not cost his team mate a race win.
You are comparing Apples and oranges
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No offense but that is nonsensical. The points add up at the end of the season.
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In that race, Hamilton could chase Seb for the win and Bottas had an issue with tyre pressures. It was a team order.
The other a 1 - 2 was going to happen anyway but Kimi was deliberately screwed by the team to help Seb win a race.
Apples and Oranges
posted on 5/6/17
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by mariory (U8059)
posted 2 days, 14 hours ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by mariory (U8059)
posted 1 day ago
Ferrari strategically brought Kimi in early and released him into traffic allowing Seb to make a pass.
Why was Kimi released into traffic?
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Because he wasn't fast enough when he needed
I'm not sure why you brought up Hamilton and Bottas here, no one is denying that team order.
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Well because here you have actual team orders that actually gave Hamilton more points. And it's a non event.
Whereas with Ferrari, you have "theories" that certain quaters are attempting to make big news.
Suffice to say the blatant hyprocrisy is startling.
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It was a non event because he was clearly quicker and did not cost his team mate a race win.
You are comparing Apples and oranges
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No offense but that is nonsensical. The points add up at the end of the season.
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In that race, Hamilton could chase Seb for the win and Bottas had an issue with tyre pressures. It was a team order.
The other a 1 - 2 was going to happen anyway but Kimi was deliberately screwed by the team to help Seb win a race.
Apples and Oranges
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Kimi was not quick enough fact ... he was unable to pull out a big enough gap whilst he was in the lead the pace difference on the same tires between Vettel and Kimi once Kimi came in was night and day. Kimi aint daft he knows the game well enough if he had life in his tyres and could up the pace before his pitstop he would have. Besides it is a moot point.. both drivers are employed by a team its a team sport even if team orders were used whats wrong with that its their duty as employees of the team, I dont care what the teams or drivers (not just from ferrari but also Merc) Vettel is no1 driver Kimi is no 2, Lewis is no1 and Bottas no2. And rightly so
posted on 5/6/17
*tyres damn autocorrect !