A couple of seaons ago I developed a chest infection following a cold. This is quite common as the bacteria in your body take advantage of the time window where your body is fighting the virus. After it didn't clear up after a couple of weeks I realised my immune system needed help. However in the UK, unlike most countries, insists that you can only obtain these with a doctor's prescription. Then due to our collapsing GP system I found it impossible to make an appointment within 3 weeks.
I complained on here because we have a couple of doctors on the site that this was just closed shop job protection and no benefit to the patient. So instead of going down the chemists and paying a couple of quid I had to wait 3 weeks, see a doctor and then get my free antibiotics and cost the NHS around £90 in all. Thus I suffered and the tax payer suffered.
Vidal came to the defence of this cosy and wasteful practice by saying that doctors had to be in control to prevent the spread of antibiotic resistance. I argued that antibiotic resistance didn't come from patients not finishing their courses but from the widespread use of antibiotics in agriculture (350 tonnes fed to British beef cattle every year) and from effluent from pharmaceutical companies polluting rivers.
Anyway the headline today is that the excuse that taking the full course is a fallacy. In fact it is more likely to spread antibiotic resistance. So what do you say now Vidal and all your closed shop buddies.
As your namesake Gore Vidal said, the four favourite words in the English language "I told you so".
Vidal kiss my ar$e.
posted on 27/7/17
I'm developing resistance to Oxycodone, what's better fentanyl or hydro-morphine?
Anyone off to the Hoffenheim game, I'm coming through if anyone fancied a pre-game pint, I'll have my youngers with me though so if we could get the ar$e kissing over beforehand it would make things simpler.
posted on 27/7/17
When I was a kid if you had a sore throat the medical profession thought it best to remove your tonsils. If no one had questioned this we would still be doing it today.
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This is just a totally irrelevant and ridiculous argument.
This isn't some wild theory someone has dreamt up. There is undeniable scientific evidence behind it, which anyone can witness first hand in a lab.
posted on 27/7/17
Tell me Bloodred, why is it that some nations feel they can allow their citizens to obtain antibiotics without a prescription. When comparing those nations with a similar developed economy to ours if they do allow their citizens to buy them, do they have greater levels of morbidity and mortality.
I am not saying bateria don't acquire immunity. What I questioned was that the cause was people not completing their course of antibiotics. Now the medical profession is questioning it. I was just 3 years ahead of them but that is not difficult.
The point wasn't irrelevant. If you are too stupid to see it then it is your problem not mine. When surgeons developed the technology and techniques for other surgery all of a sudden tonsill removal wasn't needed.
posted on 27/7/17
FFS Spart stop peddling your anti bovine agenda.
You don't like them and they don't like you. Get over it.
posted on 27/7/17
I am not saying bateria don't acquire immunity. What I questioned was that the cause was people not completing their course of antibiotics. Now the medical profession is questioning it. I was just 3 years ahead of them but that is not difficult.
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Well actually, by saying we shouldn't restrict public access to antibiotics, you are absolutely denying that bacteria acquire immunity, even if you don't seem to realise it.
No one has ever said not finishing a course of antibiotics is THE cause of resistance. It has been considered a factor, yes. Probably a small one at that. But the main reason you are generally told to finish the course of antibiotics is to ensure complete eradication. What the BMJ article is actually saying is that people may be taking courses of antibiotics for an inappropriately long time, which can lead to resistance - and that in fact completely contradicts your argument about increasing public access.
And whilst they may have a point on that front, it's a bit of a stretch to say the medical profession are questioning it. Research articles which go against the general consensus naturally receive more exposure, but by and large most of the medical profession completely disagree. If you stop treatment for Endocarditis or Osteomyelitis as soon as you start to feel better, you will most probably die.
Regarding your point about comparisons with other nations, there are very few. This is an emerging problem which hasn't yet really taken hold (if it had we'd all be in pretty big trouble) - the focus right now is on preventing it. Many of those countries are starting to introduce measures to control over-the-counter sales. And that's not down to some big conspiracy, it's just common sense.
And yes, whatever the hell point you are trying to make about surgeons removing tonsils is completely irrelevant.
posted on 28/7/17
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/27/the-guardian-view-on-antibiotics-dont-keep-taking-the-tablets
It's the pig farms in China innit
posted on 28/7/17
Just pulled a very apt quote from the Guardian for you Spart, (note the last few words):
"Blind faith in scientific health claims – and headlines – can be dangerous, especially given the growing menace of online self-diagnosis"
posted on 28/7/17
comment by ViewFromYoungestBorn (U1581)
posted 43 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/27/the-guardian-view-on-antibiotics-dont-keep-taking-the-tablets
It's the pig farms in China innit
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Less time reading that marxist rag, more time putting up the Sunlun matcthread!
posted on 28/7/17
comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 21 hours, 1 minute ago
I'm developing resistance to Oxycodone, what's better fentanyl or hydro-morphine?
Anyone off to the Hoffenheim game, I'm coming through if anyone fancied a pre-game pint, I'll have my youngers with me though so if we could get the ar$e kissing over beforehand it would make things simpler.
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Wellies, I fear your request has been lost in all the phlegm & bile.
Not going to the game tomorrow, otherwise would have been delighted to go for pre-game drinkies.
Let us know if you're around again later in the season
posted on 28/7/17
You're all dead to me.