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Animals cannot feel pain or emotion.

MPs vote 'that animals cannot feel pain or emotions' into the Brexit bill

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-bill-latest-animal-sentience-cannot-feel-pain-emotion-vote-mps-agree-eu-withdrawal-bill-a8064676.html#commentsDiv

These utter fecking morons. Are they being this stupid to just try and get fox hunting back?

Also doesnt mean that all animal welfare laws should be void since animals are just robots?

Feel free to smack one of these mp's dogs with a hammer You'll have a good defence in court.

posted on 22/11/17

I went from Hanoi to Bangkok overland and crammed it in to 3 weeks so I didn't really spend the long in Vietnam.

Loved Hanoi and Hoi An, HCMC was nothing special imo. Great people throughout the country though provide a lasting memory.

posted on 22/11/17

comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
I went about 7 years ago, thought it was brilliant.
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I went two years ago now and travelled around a lot of it, some bits were nice but anywhere that was even remotely on the tourist map was fecked. The amount of building going on was insane, you could tell not long before it would have been a completely different place but it's well on its way to becoming some sort of tacky tourism only country which is a shame - obviously being a tourist I was part of the problem.
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It's becoming Thailand.

That said, the vistas and scenery are jaw dropping.its a staggeringly beautiful place. Outside the population centres.

posted on 22/11/17

If you want 'authentic' SE Asia then I think there's only Laos and Burma/Myanmar left.

Pretty untouched by tourism (apart from Vang Vieng in Laos), still places to go for the pioneering traveller.

posted on 22/11/17

Crazily I found Thailand far less touristy than Vietnam, that's how bad Vietnam had become! Some parts were still great though

Bhutan seems pretty interesting in that they've already put in place measures to limit tourism and building in general. Anyone been there?

posted on 22/11/17

comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 45 minutes ago
If you want 'authentic' SE Asia then I think there's only Laos and Burma/Myanmar left.

Pretty untouched by tourism (apart from Vang Vieng in Laos), still places to go for the pioneering traveller.
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Vang vine was touristy when I was there. The whole town was tourist orientanted, but still quaint. An awesome place though, meeting and the bars a lot of fun. Siem ripe despite the 5 star hotels with helicopter pads was cool, as was hoi an in nam. The beach from there was lush.

posted on 22/11/17

.....as was hoi an in nam. The beach from there was lush.
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I went in January so the beach was empty as it was chilly. Hired a bike for the mammoth 2km journey, fantastic cycling through the paddy fields shouting "Hello" at the women working there, brilliant when they all wave back and laugh.

posted on 22/11/17

comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
.....as was hoi an in nam. The beach from there was lush.
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I went in January so the beach was empty as it was chilly. Hired a bike for the mammoth 2km journey, fantastic cycling through the paddy fields shouting "Hello" at the women working there, brilliant when they all wave back and laugh.
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I remember doing a bike ride in a place inland with all the famous caves when a flash flood style storm came in. Some nice locals let us take cover in their house (laughing at us obviously) - was great

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 23/11/17

People don't realise that farming wheat, vegetables etc also contributed to the death of rodents, snakes, insects and lots of other wildlife all over the world.

Of course vegans choose to ignore that the carrot they just ate caused the death of a rabbit.

There's plenty of land for us to rear healthy, happy cattle and other animals. The important thing is we as a race look after the planet and the animals we choose to eat.

You want to live like a hippy? Grow your own food and rear your own meat.

posted on 23/11/17

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
People don't realise that farming wheat, vegetables etc also contributed to the death of rodents, snakes, insects and lots of other wildlife all over the world.

Of course vegans choose to ignore that the carrot they just ate caused the death of a rabbit.

There's plenty of land for us to rear healthy, happy cattle and other animals. The important thing is we as a race look after the planet and the animals we choose to eat.

You want to live like a hippy? Grow your own food and rear your own meat.
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I'm not a vegan or vegetarian but I'm just going to call your opinion out as at best uninformed and in truth simply moronic.

Please research the subject before chiming in...

posted on 23/11/17

Veganism isn't about perfection... perfection is impossible.

It's about minimising the suffering of animals in every way we can.

Can't even be assed with the other nonsense in that post.

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