BREXIT

Okay fair enough.. As a fellow member of the EU I can tell you if it weren't for free movement our hospitals would come to a standstill. I don't believe a significant percentage leaves their homeland for benefits.. I believe they want to better themselves and their families. Most are doing jobs the natives don't want to do.

comment by BB7🍀 "At the end of the day, you gotta... (U13430)
posted 2 minutes ago
Okay fair enough.. As a fellow member of the EU I can tell you if it weren't for free movement our hospitals would come to a standstill. I don't believe a significant percentage leaves their homeland for benefits.. I believe they want to better themselves and their families. Most are doing jobs the natives don't want to do.
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And they should be made more than welcome.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by BB7🍀 "At the end of the day, you gotta... (U13430)
posted 27 seconds ago
So you want an open UK with freedom of movement?

Tell me what you want. What to you want to obtain?
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I want better controls on movement but not against any one country or another. Just to control numbers and keep out undesirables. That requires a border control of sorts.

We voted to join a common market remember. That was it. Not what we have today. Ask Italy how much they enjoy these “open borders” which only appear to work one way.

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So essentially a physical border?

If NI want to do (as the DUP state) exactly what the rest of the UK does in terms of leaving the markets etc. then there has to be a hard border, there is simply no way around this because there has to be two customs check points either side of it.

Whatever happens it's safe to say the border issue has never been properly investigated by anyone pro Brexit, and now it's coming back to bite.

There already are migration controls for EU citizens - the uk have chosen not to use them.

This “unchecked migration from the Eu” is utter nonsense.

Heard a stat today that 87% off all NI farming grants come form the EU, 87%!

No wonder NI voted in the main to remain, the impacts of leaving the EU for NI are far greater than mainland UK.

I do think Dublin is being a bit stubborn though although it's self protection.

The main worry I have is if a hard border was to go up, with check points, armed Brittis soldiers etc. then sone idiot republican will bomb a checkpoint in some sort of belief this is the right thing to dom we spent long enough killing each other and to bring back a visual element of the troubles, like border check points is a massive step back from the Good Friday Agreement.

And it's odd that the DUP say they don't want a border, however they want to be exactly like the rest of the UK (although already having different laws on same gender (you can't say se* ) marriage / abortion), that's a straight contradiction and can't happen.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 13 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by BB7🍀 "At the end of the day, you gotta... (U13430)
posted 27 seconds ago
So you want an open UK with freedom of movement?

Tell me what you want. What to you want to obtain?
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I want better controls on movement but not against any one country or another. Just to control numbers and keep out undesirables. That requires a border control of sorts.

We voted to join a common market remember. That was it. Not what we have today. Ask Italy how much they enjoy these “open borders” which only appear to work one way.

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So essentially a physical border?

If NI want to do (as the DUP state) exactly what the rest of the UK does in terms of leaving the markets etc. then there has to be a hard border, there is simply no way around this because there has to be two customs check points either side of it.

Whatever happens it's safe to say the border issue has never been properly investigated by anyone pro Brexit, and now it's coming back to bite.


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Should also note that neither the UK/EU have any wriggle room, (despite what either side say) in regard to the border.

Both parties have WTO commitments (no such thing as WTO rules). In that in the absence of a RTA (regional trade agreement) both are obliged to enforce a border.

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/region_e/region_e.htm

Exactly and that contradicts what the DUP are saying, there has to be a customs control if NI gets what the rest of the UK does when Brexit come into effect.

However maybe there is a chance here to redefine what a land border must have, but right now everyone (Dublin included) is being too stubborn and protecting their negotiating hand which does no one any favours when it comes to the border.

Could NI remain as part of the EU for an agreed period while this is sorted? Like Brexit goes ahead how the UK wants it to for the mainland UK but NI is treated as its own element almost? Still part of the Union of course.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 37 minutes ago
Exactly and that contradicts what the DUP are saying, there has to be a customs control if NI gets what the rest of the UK does when Brexit come into effect.

However maybe there is a chance here to redefine what a land border must have, but right now everyone (Dublin included) is being too stubborn and protecting their negotiating hand which does no one any favours when it comes to the border.

Could NI remain as part of the EU for an agreed period while this is sorted? Like Brexit goes ahead how the UK wants it to for the mainland UK but NI is treated as its own element almost? Still part of the Union of course.

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Regretfully the UKgov scored two own goals from the outset. Leaving the CU/SM. The ‘red line’ was set prior to any substantive work being completed on impacts.

The DUP will not accept any outcome that in any way separates NI from the mainland. So if UK leaves March 2019 so do we.

But I don’t see Leave campaigners insult those who wanted to Remain.
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That happens pretty regularly actually.

Started with 'Remoaners' and continues with those raising concerns as being 'traitors' etc.