Who else is planning a party or street party to celebrate the 23rd June marking two years since our historic vote for freedom?
I'm looking for inspiration, ideas etc that will elevate my party above the neighbours!
We're two years into our journey to the promised land and I want to mark the occasion as I feel the whole country will be buzzing.
Thoughts anyone on unique and quirky things to do?
I have some red, white and blue fireworks to set off. Hoping the government may organise a fly over.
Thanks for any ideas.
Brexit anniversary ideas
posted on 6/6/18
“re-ignite the flames of our Empire”
What does this mean? Are you suggesting we travel back in time?"
I'm suggesting we exploit the historic ties we have with the Empire (or Commonwealth to use the PC term). A market of billions that dwarfs the EU.
A United States of Europe or EUSSR is doomed to failure. Tell me where else in the world political union of the type the EU wants has worked?
We have escaped in the nick of time. The EU has already destroyed the economies of southern Europe. I don't wish for us to suffer to same fate.
We can now be a normal country again. A country free to set its own course and succeed or not by our own endeavours. Our successes will be our own successes. Any failures will at least be down to us.
God bless this sceptr'd isle. God bless Brexit.
posted on 6/6/18
comment by neutralfootballfan (U21589)
posted 8 minutes ago
“re-ignite the flames of our Empire”
What does this mean? Are you suggesting we travel back in time?"
I'm suggesting we exploit the historic ties we have with the Empire (or Commonwealth to use the PC term). A market of billions that dwarfs the EU.
A United States of Europe or EUSSR is doomed to failure. Tell me where else in the world political union of the type the EU wants has worked?
We have escaped in the nick of time. The EU has already destroyed the economies of southern Europe. I don't wish for us to suffer to same fate.
We can now be a normal country again. A country free to set its own course and succeed or not by our own endeavours. Our successes will be our own successes. Any failures will at least be down to us.
God bless this sceptr'd isle. God bless Brexit.
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Again, with respect this is more tabloid nonsense. The HoC’s have already explored trade with the Commonwealth and concluded (if any at all) growth to UK GDP would be at best insignificant.
Link to the international trade committee evidence gathering sessions:
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/international-trade-committee/news-parliament-2017/trade-and-the-commonwealth-developing-countries-evidence-17-19/
Furthermore a FTA with the USA, Dexeu’s own analysis concluded growth to UK GDP would be no more than 2%.
How long do you think it will take an unexperienced (remembering the UK – unilaterally - has not negotiated a FTA in over 40 years) understaffed trade department to renegotiate hundreds of EU treaties as well as negotiate new preferential agreements across the globe?
5, 10, 15, 20 years? And what happens to UK plc in the interim whilst Liam Fox jet sets across the globe in the search for new trading partners.
Rather than worry about future trade we need to salvage our existing arrangements with our largest and closest trading partners.
And whilst the Ukgov has committed to (regulatory alignment) following EU regulations in perpetuity, we will no longer be involved in the legislative process, (no UK rep - Commission, MEPs, nor seat on the Council of Europe).
We will simply adopt the rules and regulations the EU set. Thus rather than being *more* sovereign, Brexit will result in the UK being considerably less sovereign.
Is that what you voted for?
posted on 6/6/18
This is what remainers can't get their heads around.
Brexit is not about economy. Brexit is not about serving the interests of big business.
Brexit is so much more. Brexit is an existential thing guiding the very soul of our nation.
With respect, you haven't answered my question about how successful or not you think a United States of Europe is going to be.
The EU proposes to take independent, sovereign nations with their own rich histories and idiosyncrasies and force them into a political union.
BTW, I did vote for Brexit but not because I want us to have more control (which is still a good thing I think) but because I fundamentally disagree with the trajectory the EU has set.
Nobody has a problem a with a Common Market. Nobody. But that is not what the EU is about is it?
posted on 6/6/18
comment by neutralfootballfan (U21589)
posted 19 seconds ago
This is what remainers can't get their heads around.
Brexit is not about economy. Brexit is not about serving the interests of big business.
Brexit is so much more. Brexit is an existential thing guiding the very soul of our nation.
With respect, you haven't answered my question about how successful or not you think a United States of Europe is going to be.
The EU proposes to take independent, sovereign nations with their own rich histories and idiosyncrasies and force them into a political union.
BTW, I did vote for Brexit but not because I want us to have more control (which is still a good thing I think) but because I fundamentally disagree with the trajectory the EU has set.
Nobody has a problem a with a Common Market. Nobody. But that is not what the EU is about is it?
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The political union was voted on not forced upon
posted on 6/6/18
True, but that doesn't make it a good idea though IMHO.
Nowhere has this ever worked.
People quote the USA but that is different. That as effectively a brand new nation formed off the back of the native Americans.
What the EU is proposing is to create a USE but from different, divergent, established European countries.
I don't think that will work. And I don't want it. I don't want us to be a member state of anything. We are better than that. And that's not bragging. It's a fact check of our place in the world and are amazing history.
posted on 6/6/18
neutralfootballfan
You don’t seem to realise UK future prosperity is in the interests of the EU. And vice versa.
Like any trade partner it’s mutually advantageous. Given decades of shared resources and integrated EU/UK supply chains, we should want the EEA to be successful. Even if some dislike the political unity of the EU.
If there is an economic downturn in Europe, (thankfully growth in the EU is at its highest in over a decade) the UK will be directly impacted.
In regard to the united states of Europe as you put it, the EU has never, and cannot make a policy decision relating to matters or national interest without universal agreement.
Which, to be fair is one of the reasons decision making can be cumbersome. Every member state (via the head of state - our PM) also has an executive veto.
Member states can (following negotiation) opt out of some EU institutions.
The UK for example, chose to opt out of the EMU (Euro), security and justice, Schengen, and the charter of fundamental rights
It’s all very well being independent (and I get the argument for this even I disagree with it) but when there is less resources in the public purse, due to the inevitable economic downturn there will be less money for (an already austerity driven government) public services. Hospitals, schools, overseas investment, (already down 90% compared to 2017) etc etc.
While the wealthy will be better equipped (insulated) to absorb this hit - not so much the less well off. So whilst HMS UK sails off over the horizon, maybe worth considering those who are already struggling to make ends meet, and who will be even less well off than they are now.
Whilst you “disagree with the trajectory the EU has set” the UK (as I noted previously) will continue on this course (EU/UK phase one agreement refers) but will no longer have a voice on where the “trajectory” ends up.
Taking back control?
posted on 6/6/18
😂
Fwcking knew this would get hijacked by the usual mob.
I’m out. And hopefully we are all out of Europe as soon as fwcking possible.
posted on 6/6/18
"You don’t seem to realise UK future prosperity is in the interests of the EU. And vice versa. "
No it isn't.
The EU is the worst performing economy in the world. Our trade with the EU has been in decline for over 20 years. Our trade with the rest if the world is growing exponentially.
And with respect you are deluded if you think the EU is just about free trade.
It is about creating a superstate. A pissing contest because Europe and the USA
posted on 6/6/18
comment by neutralfootballfan (U21589)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
"You don’t seem to realise UK future prosperity is in the interests of the EU. And vice versa. "
No it isn't.
The EU is the worst performing economy in the world. Our trade with the EU has been in decline for over 20 years. Our trade with the rest if the world is growing exponentially.
And with respect you are deluded if you think the EU is just about free trade.
It is about creating a superstate. A pissing contest because Europe and the USA
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Source?
Reason I ask is the international monetary fund gdp growth figures prove otherwise.
https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/Issues/2018/03/20/world-economic-outlook-april-2018
Your understanding of global economics is at best questionable.
Our trade with the rest of the world is facilitated by mutually agreed EU trade treaties
If you care to look at the wto treaties database you'll see EU tarriffs are much lower than other areas of the world. I post a link for you. And if you also studied other free trade areas across the globe, you'd see many are similar to the EU. As they all share the universal rules for trade as per WTO obligations.
posted on 6/6/18
The WTO tariff database:
http://tariffdata.wto.org/ReportersAndProducts.aspx