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Thomas

Doped up

posted on 30/7/18

Sports-induced or exercise-induced asthma us very common, though personally, I don't understand why you should be allowed to treat it, much less with substances that have other performance-enhancing effects.

That said though, Froome is no different in that regard from a huge amount of cyclists, so I honestly don't see why he should have to pay for the rest of them.


That's completely different from the horrendous stench that emanates from Brailsford. People can bury their heads in the sand all they like, but his riders have been obliterating the field for over a decade now, and almost every Tour they enter they be got 2 riders good enough to win the GC.

People are crazy if they think it's only because they're that teeny bit better in every department.

posted on 30/7/18

they be = they've

posted on 30/7/18

comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 1 day, 13 hours ago
FFS are you really saying that every person in the TDF is doped?

If that's the case, WTF is the point of holding the event at all?

Wise up guys, support your sportsmen.

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Read up on the history of cycling. Cheating is so imbricated into the fabric of the sport that it's almost an inseparable part of it.

That doesn't, however, mean that racing 200km a day for three weeks, up and down crazy terrain, putting life and limb on the line at just about every roundabout or down every hill doesn't have my full admiration.

I'll still watch and enjoy the sport as I have been doing for over 35 years. I'm just astounded at the lengths people are willing to go to to try and defend the virgin innocence of their heroes given everything that's preceded them.

In cycling, that just doesn't happen.

posted on 30/7/18

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 11 minutes ago
Sports-induced or exercise-induced asthma us very common, though personally, I don't understand why you should be allowed to treat it, much less with substances that have other performance-enhancing effects.

That said though, Froome is no different in that regard from a huge amount of cyclists, so I honestly don't see why he should have to pay for the rest of them.


That's completely different from the horrendous stench that emanates from Brailsford. People can bury their heads in the sand all they like, but his riders have been obliterating the field for over a decade now, and almost every Tour they enter they be got 2 riders good enough to win the GC.

People are crazy if they think it's only because they're that teeny bit better in every department.
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It's well documented that this is how he achieved what he did with the GB Olympic team. Teeny improvements.

The trouble with this country is that we want to knock down any of our own who do well - what the Aussies call Tall Poppies syndrome.

posted on 30/7/18

British Cycling's success was as ridiculous as Sky's.

Nothing to do with being British or not. I'm actually Spanish, and, in terms of the 'cleanliness', every bit as sceptical about Indurain's 5 TdF wins as I was about Armstrong's and am, nowadays, about Sky's.

And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.

See Ma's Army or the DDR doping programmes in athletics for other examples.

If there was any truth whatsoever in the whole marginal gains approach, don't you think the rest of the world would've caught up by now?

And by the way, your "Only in (country name) do we look to bring down our champions" is just as common in Spain as it is in Britain, and I dare say anywhere else.

posted on 30/7/18

And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.
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The Dutch have dominated Ice Speed Skating for years now and I am sure they are clean. Same with the Americans and Basketball, Canadians and Ice Hockey, etc. etc.

posted on 30/7/18

comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 3 hours ago
And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.
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The Dutch have dominated Ice Speed Skating for years now and I am sure they are clean. Same with the Americans and Basketball, Canadians and Ice Hockey, etc. etc.
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You forgot Scotland and shinty

Mind you, I'm sure there's a few drams taken before, during and especially after each game.

posted on 30/7/18

Basketball clean?

posted on 2/9/18

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted on 30/7/18
British Cycling's success was as ridiculous as Sky's.

Nothing to do with being British or not. I'm actually Spanish, and, in terms of the 'cleanliness', every bit as sceptical about Indurain's 5 TdF wins as I was about Armstrong's and am, nowadays, about Sky's.

And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.

See Ma's Army or the DDR doping programmes in athletics for other examples.

If there was any truth whatsoever in the whole marginal gains approach, don't you think the rest of the world would've caught up by now?

And by the way, your "Only in (country name) do we look to bring down our champions" is just as common in Spain as it is in Britain, and I dare say anywhere else.
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I would be utterly astonished if Indurain wasnt doping, It was rife at the time and to win 5 in a row he must have been doing it.

posted on 2/9/18

Agreed. Add that although EPO had been around for a few years, it was precisely the season they'd switched to blood rather than urine testing that he bonked big time in the TdF when in pursuit of a 6th crown. He retired at the end of that same season.

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