How it’d be “undemocratic" if the Government said to the country “you were sold Brexit based on the premise of ……. Currently we’re unable to agree a deal that allows for this. This is the deal or no deal (which is looking scarily possible) do you still want it?
If it really is “The will of the people" then surely Brexit would win again? Which means Leave voters should have nothing to fear.
I’ve heard a lot of pro leave people on the radio and the most positive thing people seem to be able to say is
“we’ll endure" or “it won’t be as bad as some are predicting".
Sorry? Isn’t this supposed to be the better thing? Why should there be a need to endure?
It seems that there’s some high placed “leave" people (rich celebs etc) that acknowledge that we’ll be worse off but it doesn’t matter because we’ll at least be in charge of our own destiny.
It almost feels like the only way we’re going to come off well out of this is if the EU collapses within a close time after we leave, so that we can all sit round a table on equal terms.
I’ll say this for Maggie, I might not have liked most her policies, but she’d never have let us come to this.
Brexit - Am sorry but i don't see..........
posted on 4/9/18
Then when being shown to be wrong, have no remorse or dignity to admit your shortfall.
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Liar.
You can revisit the thread where i freely said I didn’t see the full footage and was going by what the bbc had on its page. Even said Salah should then be dealt with by the cops.
So ... again, liar.
See you soon if you plan on disappearing awhile.
posted on 4/9/18
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
Which parts are ill informed?
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Your claim about those stats soon to join the EU. You run away from putting forward what that “soon” is in timescale that makes you say “soon”
Afraid of being wrong aren’t you? That horse has bolted mate.
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posted on 4/9/18
I’m not wrong, what I did call as take a democratic vote towards my personal preference.
Tell me what will will be the fallout, without using remain lies and mistruth. Let’s not resort to racist accusations and anti migration, we are not French after all.
posted on 4/9/18
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 16 minutes ago
I’m not wrong, what I did call as take a democratic vote towards my personal preference.
Tell me what will will be the fallout, without using remain lies and mistruth. Let’s not resort to racist accusations and anti migration, we are not French after all.
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There's a wealth of information in both private and public sectors on Brexit impacts. Sadly many on both sides of the debate have weaponised misinformation.
From the ERG and co misrepresenting global trade policy, (WTO) to some connected to the people's vote claiming absolute armageddon.
The truth is that (I'll happily provide links if you're interested) there is no Brexit outcome which is anything other than damage limitation. But we knew there would be economic consequences, but people seem to be comfortable with having less money in their pockets in favour of feeling, orva perception of greater sovereignty.
Or did folk honestly believe revoking 40+ years of, and thousands of integrated economic partnerships and trade agreements would deliver 'exactly the same benefits'
posted on 4/9/18
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 31 minutes ago
I’m not wrong, what I did call as take a democratic vote towards my personal preference.
Tell me what will will be the fallout, without using remain lies and mistruth. Let’s not resort to racist accusations and anti migration, we are not French after all.
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Running away from qualifying what you mean by “soon” in the context of “soon to be members” as you pointed out.
Either you don’t know and are parroting what you’ve heard or you’re propogating it and not wanting to put it into context.
posted on 4/9/18
Tell me what will will be the fallout,
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As a starter, we will all be poorer not least because of the elongation of supply chains via increased checks or increased admin that will be paid for by the end user/consumer.
Time = money, more time = more money.
posted on 5/9/18
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
Tell me what will will be the fallout,
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As a starter, we will all be poorer not least because of the elongation of supply chains via increased checks or increased admin that will be paid for by the end user/consumer.
Time = money, more time = more money.
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So costs of goods will increase due to a system yet to be agreed. Do you know for sure?
That also has a flip side, that can be balanced. Some would say even negotiated.
posted on 5/9/18
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
Tell me what will will be the fallout,
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As a starter, we will all be poorer not least because of the elongation of supply chains via increased checks or increased admin that will be paid for by the end user/consumer.
Time = money, more time = more money.
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So costs of goods will increase due to a system yet to be agreed. Do you know for sure?
That also has a flip side, that can be balanced. Some would say even negotiated.
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It's a matter of international trade policy. Outside a customs union, the common external tariff *has* to be applied by law.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_tariff
https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/tariffs_e/tariff_data_e.htm
Furthermore a FTA is sectoral (with carve outs) whilst an internal market covers the entire economy. In short we currently have the best trading agreement available, and current government objectives are to downgrade to a FTA.
The consequences therefore obvious.
posted on 5/9/18
In short we currently have the best trading agreement available
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Anyone believing adding processes and/or infrastructure will result in less time, less capital cost and thereon less cost is living in cloud cuckoo land.
posted on 5/9/18
Was having a look at the UK’s draft WTO tariff schedules to see how much progress has been made.
Info on schedules: https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news17_e/mark_27jul17_e.pdf
The UK’s draft schedules were submitted to the WTO back in July, and the WTO pencilled in three months to review. From what I can see there has been next to no advancement.
https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/countries_e/united_kingdom_e.htm
When the Brexiteers talk about falling back on WTO terms/rules in a no deal scenario, before we can do so, I understand the UK’s independent WTO schedules (without reference to the EU) firstly have to be ratified by the WTO.
Given the severe time restraints we have had to copy *all* existing EU schedules, including commodities we don’t even produce, (Spanish oranges tariff schedules for example).
I’d be amazed if all 168 odd WTO countries will have endorsed the UK’s schedules come March 2019. Some members, Argentina for example, could chose to make life difficult for us in light of ongoing disputes.
In short if you hear anyone say the UK are sufficiently prepared for a no deal scenario in regard to “falling back on WTO terms” they are lying.