It would seem in the rush to slate United, so many of our own fans are inadvertently underrating City.
We weren’t great yesterday. But a huge percentage of that was down to how good City are. They’ve actually improved from last season as defensively they are much much better.
We didn’t create much yesterday. But in three matches against Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool away City only conceded 6 shots on goal in total. It’s likely they’ll get another 100 points this league season. Possibly more as they’ve already gained 4 points on two matches they lost last season.
It’s easy to slate us for yesterday but it’s too easy to only look at how bad we were without seeing how good City were. It reminded me of when Barca schooled us. Just a side who are operating on a different level.
I’ve said City won’t be considered a great side until they win the CL. I stand by that. But tbh when playing this well they’ll probably win it this season
People underrating City
posted on 13/11/18
We will be closer to top 4 i believe by end of yr but we won't be in it.
And nobbb if you think that we have improved from the start of the season simply because we are showing fight then that shows the problems atvthe club. Fight is the first thing you expect and I saw no fight whatsoever in the derby. We let a team make 44 passes with not one single challenge for their 3rd goal. Not one challenge
posted on 13/11/18
While City do play some attractive, entertaining football, it does fall a bit short in 'wow-factor' when compared to Pep's Barça and, seeing it's the same manager, is still likely to be viewed as a lesser 'oeuvre' to what he achieved there. Perhaps it's also testament to Pep though that we've grown to demand so much of his sides.
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It is two different leagues with different style of football. People said that Pep would struggle in the PL as it is a much harder faster game. Here we are, Pep has created a team that dominates the PL.
posted on 13/11/18
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
Oh, and as for being remembered, the CL doesn't really cut it in and of its own, imo.
When people remember the greatest teams it's just as much for their style of play as it is for trophies conquered. Take Madrid for example. Winning 3 consecutive CL crowns (and 4 in 5) when no other side in the CL era has even managed to retain it once is a massive feat, but will only be remembered statistically because the actual football we (myself included) played wasn't really all that.
While City do play some attractive, entertaining football, it does fall a bit short in 'wow-factor' when compared to Pep's Barça and, seeing it's the same manager, is still likely to be viewed as a lesser 'oeuvre' to what he achieved there. Perhaps it's also testament to Pep though that we've grown to demand so much of his sides.
In terms of the football played, I wouldn't currently rank them ahead of Heynckes' short-lived, treble-winning Bayern side though, let alone Pep's Barça. Not many others that immediately spring to mind in recent times though.
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I do agree
But I’m certain that if City continue their dominance and keep getting 100 points or close to it but continue to fail in the CL that will be a black mark against their achievements
posted on 13/11/18
But I’m certain that if City continue their dominance and keep getting 100 points or close to it but continue to fail in the CL that will be a black mark against their achievements
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Are you just making this up that need to win the CL to be a great side? Just as people need Messi to win a WC to consider him being the goat.
posted on 13/11/18
It’s a bit different when it’s a solitary player and the other is a team
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posted on 13/11/18
No matter what happens from here, City will probably always be remembered in England for being the first side to break the 100-point barrier. That's remarkable in itself, but domestic dominance holds less wieght when it comes to the recognition they may garner internationally and, of course, there's a CL winner every season.
That's why I said, I don't think a single CL crown in and of itself would necessarily cement their place in the internationally-regarded pantheon. The manner of how they win it would be important. Ultimately, the enduring memory of Pep's Barça in Europe was, with the honorable exceptions of Chelsea and Inter, the complete and utter annihilation of the rest Europe could throw at them.
That's annihilation in terms of the actual football played and not necessarily the scorelines, which is why these teams live so long in the memory of the people who saw them play, but makes their true level difficult to fathoom for those who didn't.
posted on 13/11/18
City will go down as a great team even if they don’t win the CL. But if they don’t it will certainly be a black mark against them.
Their record in the competition thus far is a black mark against them since the new ownership. Failing to win it with the squad and coach they now have will make it even bigger if they continue to fail.
posted on 13/11/18
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 hour ago
While City do play some attractive, entertaining football, it does fall a bit short in 'wow-factor' when compared to Pep's Barça and, seeing it's the same manager, is still likely to be viewed as a lesser 'oeuvre' to what he achieved there. Perhaps it's also testament to Pep though that we've grown to demand so much of his sides.
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It is two different leagues with different style of football. People said that Pep would struggle in the PL as it is a much harder faster game. Here we are, Pep has created a team that dominates the PL.
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As an aside, when Pep's teams dominated La Liga (and Bundesliga), a lot of people belittled those achievements as only being possible due to the weakness of those leagues, yet he's hit 100 points in the PL with a side or brand of football most people still consider inferior to that Barça team.
posted on 13/11/18
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
The Arsenal team of the late 90's and the Arsenal team of the early 00's are remembered as a great team. Granted one of them had the whole unbeaten thing, which helps, but the other was a great team because of the title they won and the way they played in doing so. You could argue the other great side of the Prem era, that wasn't a United side, was the Jose team at Chelsea first time around. Never got close to winning the CL but went down as a great side due to their dominance in the Prem over 2 seasons.
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Indeed, but they're viewed that way domestically. You need to impress in Europe if you want to be remembered on a wider scale. Both of your cases underline that point. Any fans who do remember those Arsenal and Chelsea teams outside of Britain will probably have them down as good sides, but nowhere near the all-time greats.
Similarly, I wouldn't say many people outside of the UK have either of Fergie's CL-winning sides down amongst the all-time European greats - though I'd say that United would be, in a somewhat different way, when viewed over the entirety of Fergie's tenure.