Even though the performance was poor last night at least we got the job done with one game to spare. Small mercies and all that.
Anyway, on to the main point of my article. If the club had any balls they'd sack Jose now. They can do so knowing we're safely through in the CL on the back of a win but another poor performance.
I can't see where we're going to start performing consistently any more and it seems that, three seasons in, Jose can't seemingly decide on his best midfield and attack. That really isn't good enough. Starting Fellaini and Matic in midfield just leaves us devoid of energy in the middle of the park and, I think, puts a downer on things before we start. If one has to play though I'd much rather it be Fellaini at the moment though.
I'm not blaming it all on him, as the players must take some responsibility, but the buck, as it always does, stops with the manager.
That's why I think the club should now take the decision to thank Jose for guiding us through the group and then relieving him of his duties. I've tried to be patient but enough is now enough for me. I also think it would be good for Jose as well as he seems a man at war with everyone which isn't good for his health.
I'm willing to bet good money that if Jose went we'd see an immediate improvement in performances purely down to the fact that Jose isn't manager. A weight will be lifted off the players IMO.
As for a replacement I'd get an interim for now and do a thorough scouting job of what we want from the next manager and then go all out to get them.*
*I do realise that in all probability the club will stick with Jose but I do think doing something decisive now could still see us salvage something from the season.
Not another Jose article!
posted on 28/11/18
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
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Dont need a stay to tell you that players who dribble and make runs onto the ball tend to lose the ball more often.
Rashford finish was diabolical last night, his overall game was good which is a positive.
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I am aware of that.
But when you add Lukaku, Fellaini, Matic, Lingard, Pogba and Fred - all players who are (often fairly) accused of giving the ball away carelessly and too frequently - to the rest of the players playing last night, and still you don’t get near the number that those two players between them managed, that says something.
Rashford’s link up play with Lingard was decent, and his attitude and directness, as usual, were a breath of fresh air. Otherwise he had a shocker.
And Martial just had a really poor game. He looked lost and on a different wavelength to the players around him too often. He ran into I don’t know how many dead ends when he needed to pass the ball or get a shot away.
They were dreadful. It happens. They are young, and all young players barring next to none are inconsistent. I’m not slating their work ethics, ability or even current form. I love the pair of them and think they should have big futures at United.
I’m just saying they had really poor performances last night, in isolation, and it really cost us.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
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Dont need a stay to tell you that players who dribble and make runs onto the ball tend to lose the ball more often.
Rashford finish was diabolical last night, his overall game was good which is a positive.
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I am aware of that.
But when you add Lukaku, Fellaini, Matic, Lingard, Pogba and Fred - all players who are (often fairly) accused of giving the ball away carelessly and too frequently - to the rest of the players playing last night, and still you don’t get near the number that those two players between them managed, that says something.
Rashford’s link up play with Lingard was decent, and his attitude and directness, as usual, were a breath of fresh air. Otherwise he had a shocker.
And Martial just had a really poor game. He looked lost and on a different wavelength to the players around him too often. He ran into I don’t know how many dead ends when he needed to pass the ball or get a shot away.
They were dreadful. It happens. They are young, and all young players barring next to none are inconsistent. I’m not slating their work ethics, ability or even current form. I love the pair of them and think they should have big futures at United.
I’m just saying they had really poor performances last night, in isolation, and it really cost us.
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I have absolutely no issue with players giving away possession if they are actually trying something whether it be a take on or defence splittinv pass etc. Our problem is the fact we plag it far too safe far too often. Did you know De Bruyne gave the ball away more than any other player in the league last season?
posted on 28/11/18
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
It appears that Rosso is now filling in the idiocy void left by the lad who runs away.
Last week he was trying to justify Groot playing just to shield Lindelof. I kid you not.
This is how far some of our fans will go in support of idiotic decisions this manager keeps making.
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That’s exactly what Mourinho did with Fellaini against Watford in September, to very good effect: used his height and physicality to help Lindelof out against a team that would use an aerial ball on the counter.
Why so strange to suggest that Mourinho might do the same thing again, or that it might work?
posted on 28/11/18
It was young boys of Switzerland we played last night ?
Just checking
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
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Well i for one hve not blamed fellaini or matic. The reason rashford and more so martial don't get as much stick is because they are youngsters, the future of the club and martial has been superb the kast 4-6 weeks. Matic and fellaini are more often than not average or shocking and deserve all the stick they get especially when imo there are better players behind them
posted on 28/11/18
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
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Well i for one hve not blamed fellaini or matic. The reason rashford and more so martial don't get as much stick is because they are youngsters, the future of the club and martial has been superb the kast 4-6 weeks. Matic and fellaini are more often than not average or shocking and deserve all the stick they get especially when imo there are better players behind them
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When they have played poorly, people are well within their rights to give them stick, of course.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
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Well i for one hve not blamed fellaini or matic. The reason rashford and more so martial don't get as much stick is because they are youngsters, the future of the club and martial has been superb the kast 4-6 weeks. Matic and fellaini are more often than not average or shocking and deserve all the stick they get especially when imo there are better players behind them
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When they have played poorly, people are well within their rights to give them stick, of course.
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Yep and i thought they were poor last night. Especially fellaini. The only outfield players that come out with any credit for last nights game imo were jones, smalling, shaw and possibly Fred
posted on 28/11/18
I thought all three midfielders did well, as did the back line barring Valencia. DDG had literally nothing to do barring the one save, which was of course spectacular.
Pogba and Mata didn’t really change the game for the better when they came on, but the three who really let us down were the trio who started up top, absolutely no question.
posted on 28/11/18
I think the point is that we shouldn’t be starting with a midfield of Fellaini, Matic and Fred against a side like Young Boys. Disgusting midfield selection. We could have slotted any two of Mata, Pereira and Herrera into that midfield and not had to worry about conceding.