While im well aware we are not the first team to suffer at the hands of the "tactics" that PSG employed last night, so am talking more generally before anyone thinks this is a "poor liverpool" post
The game last night was an incredibly frustrating watch. The loss aside i almost turned the football off, every 3-5 mins a PSG player would be rolling around in agony, pretending they had been hit in the face, stomach leg, or in one bizarre case Thiago Silva rolling around like someone had broken his lower back after he shoulder barged milner (Milner was fine by the way, im sure you wete all worried)
Is it time that, to protect these players from the horrific injuries they sustain 5 times a game, we started having mandatory breaks at the side of the pitch to ve checked over by an independant sports physician? The area could be made of the same material as the yellow card, because every time the ref holds one up the pain seems to instantly end.
Joking aside its a real blight on the game now, would a little break on the sidelines for people who act like they are in agony (to be checked over physically for their own good) help to curb this behaviour, its getting worse and it makes the game an unwatchable joke.
Playacting in football
posted on 29/11/18
comment by Biglaa (U5954)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by Arsenal FC - 2018/19 Europa League Champions (U3245)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Scouse-Heart (U3234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Arsenal FC - 2018/19 Europa League Champions (U3245)
posted 6 minutes ago
good luck actually catching someone who is play acting though
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They are very easy to catch.. they are normally laid on the floor..
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so explain to me how a ref is going to be able to be 100% sure a player is faking it?
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Shotgun
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posted on 29/11/18
Ah well, had a looooong day at work and come back to see the thread has turned in to a partisan "your club, my club" article that has been re-enacted to death on this forum (or should that be: this forums death)
As dave pointed out (in his as usual excellent posts) i even prefaced the facking article to avoid that sort of shiiite.
posted on 29/11/18
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 7 hours ago
This idea of mandatory breaks after requiring attention on the pitch comes up time and again, but it's based on flawed logic. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Firstly, offenders would get an extra incentive for putting 'reducers' on their opponents, as it would serve to give them an additional one-man advantage for a length of time. It takes the notion of tactical/cynical fouling to a whole new level. Imagine being able to put one on your opponents' star player AND getting to play a spell against ten men thrown into the bargain - or putting an opposing centre-back out of the game and then blitzing the oppo box.
Secondly, players who've been fouled would rather hobble around the pitch for a few minutes rather than leave their side a man down. Not only would it increase the likelihood of aggravating any potential injury he might have sustained, but would also make him an immediate target for further roughing up, both because it would be easier to put one on him, and because of the increased likelihood of him needing the physio and hence being forced off.
A further issue is who decides when a player is hurt badly enough to require attention. Pain isn't objectively measurable in the way body temperature is. You can't just stick a pain-meter up a player's backside (though we might be onto something there) and decide if he's overdoing it or not.
Refs necessarily have to protect the wellbeing of the players. As such, they're generally advised to err on the side of caution. However, if the immediate consequence of allowing the physio on is going to become a punishment for the team receiving the foul, then refs may well be tempted to think twice. Again, this could have harmful outcomes for the player, as well as potential benefits for the offending team.
The basic problem with the idea is that it revolves around the notion that players always feign injury, not that they're ever badly hurt and actually do need attention.
Frustrating as it is to have players writhing in agony, threatening them with time off the pitch can only serve to shift the game even further away from the notion of fair play than it already is. It's an entirely bad idea.
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Its a very good point that you raise,
I would however say that in doing so the attacker increasingly risks the chance of a red card with these tackles given the evolving non contact aspect of the game..
After all this problem has been born of referees blowing up for almost any contact where it looks like a player is hurt.
I suppose VAR could be used to assess the rolling around and see if its legitimate, but thats a grey area, i.e thiago silva barging milner then pretending his back was broken.
Neymar was terrible with this acting at the world cup also, so i maintain: if a player looks like they are in agony they should need to leave the field of play for a set period of time to be assessed by a physio, for their own good.
Incidents like neymar pretending he was hit in the face need addressing with VAR
posted on 29/11/18
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 26 minutes ago
Ah well, had a looooong day at work and come back to see the thread has turned in to a partisan "your club, my club" article that has been re-enacted to death on this forum (or should that be: this forums death)
As dave pointed out (in his as usual excellent posts) i even prefaced the facking article to avoid that sort of shiiite.
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I think most comments were well balanced. It turned into a "Our player would never dive" article really, nobody has really bad mouthed mane just pointing out that it happened on both sides (to very different degrees).
Said last night the dive was balance sout by the fact veratti should have been sent off,shicking tackle that was.
posted on 29/11/18
I agree about VAR and the Neymar situation indeed needing review. The ref could’ve then booked him for it, and I’d like to see a new type of offence, something like “gross misrepresentation” punishable with a red card.
The problem with the situation you refer is that players can, in fact already do, take turns at targeting certain players, sometimes premeditated you, sometimes out of retaliation for a team mate. Thing is, you just have to hit a player hard enough without needing to go right the way through him, to get him down for a few minutes. Dead legs, stamps, stuff like that are things a lot of players are capable of getting away with unseen.
I do think play-acting should be dealt with, I’d just want it to be well thought out so that it doesn’t punish the innocent or benefit offenders.
VAR
posted on 29/11/18
After all this problem has been born of referees blowing up for almost any contact where it looks like a player is hurt.
I suppose VAR could be used to assess the rolling around and see if its legitimate, but thats a grey area, i.e thiago silva barging milner then pretending his back was broken.
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I actually think it’s because nowadays all notion of sportsmanship has gone out the window, and any form of gaining an advantage is widely seen as legitimate. It’s not about to go away, either. But we mustn’t forget to put the thugs in exactly the same bag, rather than potentially reward them.
By the way, interesting example, because Neymar has progressively gotten worse with his play-acting, but perhaps a turning point was when he did actually have to pull out of his home World Cup precisely because he’d been the object of a manhunt that literally did end up with him getting his back broken.
posted on 29/11/18
Good posts itsonly
As you say, this will all boil down to VAR i guess, but im not sure the rules are even in place to be enforced!
posted on 29/11/18
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 26 minutes ago
Ah well, had a looooong day at work and come back to see the thread has turned in to a partisan "your club, my club" article that has been re-enacted to death on this forum (or should that be: this forums death)
As dave pointed out (in his as usual excellent posts) i even prefaced the facking article to avoid that sort of shiiite.
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I think most comments were well balanced. It turned into a "Our player would never dive" article really, nobody has really bad mouthed mane just pointing out that it happened on both sides (to very different degrees).
Said last night the dive was balance sout by the fact veratti should have been sent off,shicking tackle that was.
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I did also try to make sure it wasnt specifically about last nights game, nor is it about diving (although again, a blight on the game) but the unsportsmanlike act of feigning an injury (such as claiming a hit in the face after no contact)
posted on 29/11/18
comment by Scouse-Heart (U3234)
posted 10 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Arsenal FC - 2018/19 Europa League Champions (U3245)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Scouse-Heart (U3234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Arsenal FC - 2018/19 Europa League Champions (U3245)
posted 6 minutes ago
good luck actually catching someone who is play acting though
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They are very easy to catch.. they are normally laid on the floor..
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so explain to me how a ref is going to be able to be 100% sure a player is faking it?
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Poke him in the eye.
I know a paramedic who did this to a woman who kept pretending to have seizures so she'd get attention and be taken into hospital. He pocked her in the eye and she screamed "what the feck are you playing at".
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... you did this to your missus didn't you?? but don't want to confess it...?
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Na mate, I wouldn't notice if the Missus has a seizure unless it was in front of the box when the footy was on.
posted on 29/11/18
comment by DirtbagDan (U21990)
posted 10 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by DirtbagDan (U21990)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
I have & still am an advocate of the ''pink card'' concept. If a player is caught ''play acting'', they should be given a pink card & sent to the sin bin for 5 - 10 mins. That will go a long way into stamping out this scourge.
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Pink? Is that because he's a girls blouse?
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Any man with an ounce of pride will avoid being given a pink card. It's humiliating. It is symbolic of being soft, meek, timid & moist. So yeah, it will help to stomp out the scourge of diving.
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I like pink, real men wear pink