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Attendance, Budgeting, etc.

Halfway through the season, almost, 10 home games out of 23, attendance is up from last season.

2017/18 total = 724,975, average = 31,521 https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-championship-2017-2018/1/

2018/19 total = 323,180, average = 32,318 https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-championship-2018-2019/1/

An average increase of almost 800 per game.

Assume an average spend of £30 per spectator (is that reasonable?), that equates to an extra £240,000 or almost £552,000 for the season (£30 x 800 x 23).

Additionally we have been televised on Sky more times this season than last, or at least it seems so. With the trend expected to continue that way, I estimate an additional 5 times this season over last (anyone have better data?).

If reasonably accurate, that should result in an additional £1m for the club from these two streams of revenue. I expect merchandise sales should be up also, with product appearing to be more available and the expanded range offered.

I wonder how that compares with the related amounts that were budgeted for the season and how it may impact any player acquisitions in January, assuming they can find players who match MB's stated requirements in the presser earlier today.

posted 2 days, 18 hours ago

You’re saying that because you coach tennis you know what the insurance policies Leeds Utd have taken out are?

Are you deluded?

I have no experience in this area, which is why I am not pretending I know what is in written in the documents in a filing cabinet in an office I have never been in.

You also have no experience in this area and no knowledge of what’s in those documents.

posted 2 days, 13 hours ago

comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 10 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Stevie Dee (U10061)
posted 5 hours, 34 minutes ago
Insurance of this nature is very expensive. We provide career ending cover to professional sportsmen and the premiums are dependent on salaries etc..

Long term injuries will no doubt be covered but short term ones are unlikely to be picked up.

There's a budget clearly being worked to and AR has already said he would bankroll exceptional purchases outside of that such as Vydra (did he make the wrong choice.....?).

We are not skint. Absolute nonsense. We wouldn't be making our financial commitments otherwise. Scaremongering to suit bizarre agendas again. I do wonder where the loyalties of such people really lie.
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You made this point on another thread. I responded and you didn’t comment. Now you’re repeating it Stevie.

No-one on that thread had an agenda. The context was what do we have to spend in jan.

radz was on record in the summer as saying we sold viera to balance the books because we make a loss.

Your definition of skint appears to be going bust... rather than ‘not having much disposable income’. If I say to a mate, cab’t Come out tonight i’m Skint.. it means i’ve no spare cash... not that I haven’t paid my mortgage and some meat heads have just been round to repossess the car and sofa.

The context hasn’t been, are we in financial trouble? The context is, do we have money available to spend in January.

We have some first team regulars whose contract situation we might have expected to be resolved by now. We have a chairman who says we make a loss and need to sell players each year.

Those of us who bring this up, do so to temper the enthusiasm of those who are expecting us to spunk multi-millions in January.

We might get some loans, or mr 49er might have brought his chequebook last week. That would be great.

We have a great opportunity this season, who knows when it will happen again, so anything we can do to strengthen our position in January makes Sense to me from a business perspective.. if we can find the finance

As for ‘working to a budget’? everybody works to a budget. The phrase is std business speak for finances are tight. It’s what you say to sales people you want to get rid of or if you’re haggling for a deal.

If you’re a football club and you haven’t budgeted for strengthening in January, then you’re running a ‘tight ship’ another euphemism, for not having spare cash.

Just because someone disagrees with you Stevie, it doesn’t mean they have an agenda.
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Didn't see comment on other thread, I made a comment and it wasn't aimed specifically at you. I accept others have different point of views, it's a forum for debate after all.

There is an agenda from some and I take exception to it. Doesn't mean I'm right and equally doesn't make them wrong.

Not much more to add. The Vieira sale was about balancing books within a budget, I don't recall reading anything official about selling to avoid a loss. If I've missed it, then I wouldn't mind seeing the source of that.

posted 2 days, 13 hours ago

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
All going on Ideguchi's and O'Kane's wages now they're back.
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IF the wages were being paid as a part of the loan deal, then those deals are still on-going and can't be officially terminated until the transfer window opens.

posted 2 days, 12 hours ago

comment by Pro - WSAIWB - 'Whoever Is The Manager' Out!! (U7053)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
All going on Ideguchi's and O'Kane's wages now they're back.
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IF the wages were being paid as a part of the loan deal, then those deals are still on-going and can't be officially terminated until the transfer window opens.

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Pro, I believe loans are terminated by serious injury, player goes back to his club and no further fees are payable. I could be wrong. of course.

posted 2 days, 12 hours ago

Stevie, direct extract quote from rads interview with bbc after sale of Ronnie

"Unfortunately to sustain a club in this league we need to sell one or two players each year. We've invested a lot and it's not enough to break even, so we had to manage the club and look at the future, not just today”

Viera was sold against the wishes of bielsa.

The club is miles better off than we have been with recent regimes and no-one has insinuated we can’t pay our bills... just that as it stands we’re unlikely to be spending big in January without additional investment.

posted 2 days, 12 hours ago

"We've invested a lot and it's not enough to break even..."

Very cryptic phrase that!

Could mean so many different things.

Totally open to interpretation.

posted 2 days, 6 hours ago

As a business owner you have to make sacrifices to help achieve your objectives. We're not skint, in any interpretation, I just believe, for a change, that we are being financially prudent.

In my business we have some very aggressive plans but we are staggering our acquisitions now to ensure that there's no black hole. The preference for all would be to buy everything now but a) we'd need to borrow and b) we don't have the right level of resource to manage each individual business correctly.

We made a commitment to keep local representation and each member of staff rather than centralise and that costs!

posted 2 days, 2 hours ago

You can believe what you want fella but amongst all this opinion, the only undeniable facts are you chastised posters for having a different opinion, said that it must be an agenda, asked for some evidence of quotes from the chairman... and then shrugged it off when you got it.

Whichever no hard feelings, and I wish Trump Insurance Ltd all the best for the future!

Seriously, My only agenda is I want promotion and a thriving football team/club. I’m sure we’re all delighted with progress. Fingers crossed for 3 points this afternoon.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted 1 day, 21 hours ago

No I’m not saying that at all, what I’m saying is that I have some insight into how insurance works for sports professionals and you are saying you do not.

Of course I don’t know the specifics of Leeds insurance but I do know that every sports insurance policy I have been quoted for has an excess and a cap.

Keen to understand why you think leeds policies would be different.

posted 1 day, 19 hours ago

comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 6 hours, 29 minutes ago
You can believe what you want fella but amongst all this opinion, the only undeniable facts are you chastised posters for having a different opinion, said that it must be an agenda, asked for some evidence of quotes from the chairman... and then shrugged it off when you got it.

Whichever no hard feelings, and I wish Trump Insurance Ltd all the best for the future!

Seriously, My only agenda is I want promotion and a thriving football team/club. I’m sure we’re all delighted with progress. Fingers crossed for 3 points this afternoon.

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I have an issue with those who have an agenda, nothing more nothing less. Fundamentally different from the point you are trying to make.

Trump Insurance?

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