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I'm with my club its chairman and its

Manager and team, 8th place a poor performance not surprising after the efforts put in the last two great wins. Does not matter to TB Mersey and BS what happens you could see them itching to stick after the two great wins at the slightest slip up
put the blame on the players Neil and a wonder strike


comment by Foxello (U6985)

posted on 29/12/18

BS; I don't think Puel would substitute Vardy unless it was a) to manage his injury (one that seemed to be bothering him again during the City game) or b) because he was poor today. TBH, I wasn't even sure that he would start today. Poor Kelechi is a shadow of the player he was at Man City and I'm not sure it will ever work out for him here. It's a very tricky situation when you have a 30 year old with a persistent injury and his only real replacement has had his confidence shot.

posted on 29/12/18

comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 34 seconds ago
BS; I don't think Puel would substitute Vardy unless it was a) to manage his injury (one that seemed to be bothering him again during the City game) or b) because he was poor today. TBH, I wasn't even sure that he would start today. Poor Kelechi is a shadow of the player he was at Man City and I'm not sure it will ever work out for him here. It's a very tricky situation when you have a 30 year old with a persistent injury and his only real replacement has had his confidence shot.
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I’m not so sure Foxy. You could well be right but he has previous for taking off our best attacking players when we need goals. He even benched Vardy against West Ham and he confirmed that was tactical.

I hope you’re right but to be honest there is clearly an issue with Vardy under the Puel system - he isn’t happy right now. While I don’t believe a player revolt is happening, Puel needs the dressing room on side

comment by Foxello (U6985)

posted on 29/12/18

Whether Puel's system suits him or not, it doesn't change the fact that we wouldn't have been able to play to his strengths today anyway, because you can't play counter attacking football against a team that is content to sit and wait. So even under the preferred style of play, I'm not sure how much more effective he would have been today. Worth remembering that the one chance he did get today, he missed.

Unfortunately, we have a Vardy problem in that he's our only prolific striker but an aging one and one who is now becoming injury prone. Strikers like Slimani, Musa and Iheanacho have been tried out instead of him, and it hasn't worked. We've tried pairing Vardy with one and it hasn't worked because Vardy has refused to change his game to accommodate another out and out striker. And ultimately, the kind of striker we would like won't tolerate sitting on the bench and waiting for Vardy to lose form or get injured. I'm not sure how we solve this problem.

posted on 29/12/18

It’s about picking the right strike partner for Vardy, which Steve Walsh got absolutely right with Okazaki. Now Okazaki isn’t the player he was when he first arrived, but you need a striker that is going to play in behind Vardy which is the classic no.10.

Okazaki worked so well because he had two midfielder behind him and he was doing so much pressing and work for Vardy. He was a useful strike partner however and contributed with vital goals

The problem is since Walsh has left we have been veering towards signing players that are available (like Iheanacho) rather than picking players who will fit in with the team.

I agree with you however, it’s not an easy fix and to be honest Vardy isn’t the right for Puels way of playing in any case I don’t think

posted on 29/12/18

We could have played more to his strengths if we moved the ball quicker time and time again we are slow on the ball the first though seems to be always not to lose the ball even if we have to go backwards which usually results with one of the defensives players dispatching it under pressure and losing it anyway. Lost count how many times Gray lost the ball today just by not moving it quick enough, he wasn't the only either.

posted on 29/12/18

Apologies B S.
Just read your reply about strike partners. Was doing an article pretty much around the same time.

posted on 29/12/18

comment by PlayThePitch (U3623)
posted 2 minutes ago
Apologies B S.
Just read your reply about strike partners. Was doing an article pretty much around the same time.
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That’s cool mate it’s worth a new thread, good discussion

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)

posted on 29/12/18

I’m very agnostic about Puel, his systems and his methods, but find myself defending him somewhat as I don’t think all our problems should be laid at his door.

Failing to break down a poor, but resolute, side is not a new problem. We’ve struggled with it for ages and, even in the title season, relied on 1-0 often with our incredible efficiency in front of goal that season. That creativity in the final third, at the critical moments, is the biggest differentiator between a top six side and sides like Leicester.

It’s also not unusual to try and rotate players over the Christmas period. However, when you look at the replacements in our squad - they’re not good enough.

You’d have thought that Gray for Hamza would have been a good call but, once again, Gray did very little. N’didi was again poor but, realistically, who is his obvious replacement?

Our squad lacks depth in terms of real quality. We desperately need someone in midfield who can pass or carry the ball forward. If Vardy and/or Maddison need a rest then there is a dearth of real quality beneath them.

The substitutions remain strange in terms of the timing and positions, but if Vardy’s groin does need managing then who comes in? Ian or Shinji? Neither fill you with confidence.

And on Vardy’s substitution I didn’t read it as anyone “boo-ing Ian on”. Certainly that wasn’t the case near me. People were boo-ing the choice of withdrawing Vardy - our most realistic threat. I think fans are still desperate for Nacho to do well and he’ll only lose them through lack of effort.

posted on 29/12/18

I would say failure to break down the resolute sides is the difference between top 10 and bottom 10 for me. I think sides getting into Europe via 7th place tend to be able to do it more often than not, but they fall short against the likes of Spurs, Man City, Liverpool etc

While our problem with this isn’t new, we don’t even manage it against sides who didn’t sit back - eg West Ham at home. We were atrocious in that game Joby, they didn’t sit back like Cardiff, we just had no intensity or attacking mindset. Same against Everton to a certain extent although that was better

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)

posted on 29/12/18

comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 5 minutes ago
I would say failure to break down the resolute sides is the difference between top 10 and bottom 10 for me. I think sides getting into Europe via 7th place tend to be able to do it more often than not, but they fall short against the likes of Spurs, Man City, Liverpool etc

While our problem with this isn’t new, we don’t even manage it against sides who didn’t sit back - eg West Ham at home. We were atrocious in that game Joby, they didn’t sit back like Cardiff, we just had no intensity or attacking mindset. Same against Everton to a certain extent although that was better
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Agreed! Don’t get me wrong I’m very sceptical about the approach under Puel and some games, particularly early in the season, were awful largely due to that lack of intensity.

But I also feel like we’re in danger of laying everything at the manager’s door. The squad beyond the initial starting eleven is not good enough and that’s not all down to Puel. Players like Ian, Silva and Ghazzel have been major disappointments so far.

I’d look at the manager’s position in the summer and, right now, I’d be inclined to make a change. But the important caveat would be that we’ve identified a suitable replacement. I don’t want to see a sacking and then start reading all the usual suspects being named in the press as possible replacements.

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