VAR discredited big time tonight

That would make sense, Biggish. But it did cause confusion among fans and players as he didn’t make it obvious what his decision was on the penalty.

Also if the directive to the linesman the same as at the world cup? They were told to not flag up marginal decisions and to let play develop as VAR can be used to clear up the offside.

The camera angle that VAR made use of, drew the perfectly calibrated line on Azpi's back foot (as it should). This happened to line up with Kane's front foot. Nice and easy decision for the VAR official!

But wait a second. Kane is leaning towards the goal, with his front knee bent and also appears to be bending his run slightly. His front foot is clearly level with Azpi's back foot, but I'd love to know how his knee, shoulder and/or head are as well.

It was a very close call and I'm all for the striker to be given the advantage. We've missed out on 3 goals recently because of it.

In cases like this in the future, I'd like to think that VAR would come to a decision of inconclusive and then either stick with the original on-field decision (lino should choose to flag straight away and players should play to the whistle) or just always back the striker and say he gets the benefit of the doubt (regardless of the on-field decision).

comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’ve never seen the ref go straight to the VAR for a penalty decision
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Really? Thought that was the whole point

comment by Carefree since 1988 (U12148)
posted 1 minute ago
The camera angle that VAR made use of, drew the perfectly calibrated line on Azpi's back foot (as it should). This happened to line up with Kane's front foot. Nice and easy decision for the VAR official!

But wait a second. Kane is leaning towards the goal, with his front knee bent and also appears to be bending his run slightly. His front foot is clearly level with Azpi's back foot, but I'd love to know how his knee, shoulder and/or head are as well.

It was a very close call and I'm all for the striker to be given the advantage. We've missed out on 3 goals recently because of it.

In cases like this in the future, I'd like to think that VAR would come to a decision of inconclusive and then either stick with the original on-field decision (lino should choose to flag straight away and players should play to the whistle) or just always back the striker and say he gets the benefit of the doubt (regardless of the on-field decision).
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This seems fair

Flashy, no the ref makes a decision and VAR is used to review that decision. He called for it straight away, he didn’t point to the spot or wave it away as is the common way of indicating his decision.

Ah gotcha

comment by Carefree since 1988 (U12148)
posted 4 minutes ago
The camera angle that VAR made use of, drew the perfectly calibrated line on Azpi's back foot (as it should). This happened to line up with Kane's front foot. Nice and easy decision for the VAR official!

But wait a second. Kane is leaning towards the goal, with his front knee bent and also appears to be bending his run slightly. His front foot is clearly level with Azpi's back foot, but I'd love to know how his knee, shoulder and/or head are as well.

It was a very close call and I'm all for the striker to be given the advantage. We've missed out on 3 goals recently because of it.

In cases like this in the future, I'd like to think that VAR would come to a decision of inconclusive and then either stick with the original on-field decision (lino should choose to flag straight away and players should play to the whistle) or just always back the striker and say he gets the benefit of the doubt (regardless of the on-field decision).
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I just want to know if we can trust VAR to make the right decision on off sides. Last night has caused me some serious doubts.

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Carefree since 1988 (U12148)
posted 4 minutes ago
The camera angle that VAR made use of, drew the perfectly calibrated line on Azpi's back foot (as it should). This happened to line up with Kane's front foot. Nice and easy decision for the VAR official!

But wait a second. Kane is leaning towards the goal, with his front knee bent and also appears to be bending his run slightly. His front foot is clearly level with Azpi's back foot, but I'd love to know how his knee, shoulder and/or head are as well.

It was a very close call and I'm all for the striker to be given the advantage. We've missed out on 3 goals recently because of it.

In cases like this in the future, I'd like to think that VAR would come to a decision of inconclusive and then either stick with the original on-field decision (lino should choose to flag straight away and players should play to the whistle) or just always back the striker and say he gets the benefit of the doubt (regardless of the on-field decision).
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I just want to know if we can trust VAR to make the right decision on off sides. Last night has caused me some serious doubts.
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But it shouldn't have. Oliver last night could have asked to review the video but since the "available one" wasn't clear, he should have gone with the original decision of the linesman.

It seems to have been more of an issue when used in England, Biggish. I’m not sure what it’s been like abroad with regard to offside. It was fine it the world cup, the contention was with the penalty decisions, but from what I recall they had better angles of the offside - they’d obviously used more cameras because it was the world cup.

comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
This should put an end to all the ONSIDE/OFFSIDE debate - seems the Chelsea pic was taken a split second after the VAR one - notice Kane's body position has changed slightly.
CORRECT DECISION - GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON

https://www.givemesport.com/1439964-referees-chiefs-respond-to-chelseas-image-that-shows-harry-kane-was-offside-before-penalty?autoplay=off
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Why do people put comments like:

'This should put an end to all the ONSIDE/OFFSIDE debate '.

Then put a link to something that shows nothing of the sort, with little quips like, 'notice how blah, blah, blah'.

To put the record straight, my only beef is that in the last few weeks we've had three goals chalked off for offside that were all equally as contentious as last nights incident.

There was no VAR for either occasion yet all were disallowed, whereas last night VAR deems it was ok. So that's 4 times Chelsea have been facked over by nearly identical (esp Girouds 1st).


Until they can get VAR in to ALL top level games they should be thinking seriously about using it at all to prevent more inconsistent decisions, because at the moment it's becoming more controversial than ever.