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Loyalty

A word used a lot by football fans.

There seems to an expectation that players should have some loyalty towards the clubs they play for. But why is this.

Probably because the fans support the club through thick and thin. Spend their hard earned cash to watch their team, sometimes travelling all over the country and world to do so.

But really, in the majority of cases, is it not just the club they are loyal to? Often football fans are fickle. Take Sisokko for example - a player derided by his own fans for so long, now a player who is accepted and truly an important person to the fans.

But Sisokko has always given the same amount of effort, just that his confidence and his slightly limited game ability has, until recently, prevented him from perofrming well. Now, with confidence and playing to his strengths he is doing very well.

90% or more of Spurs fans will have want him sold in the summer. Now that will be much much less. Where was our loyalty to the player.

When a player comes in from another club, what loyalty should they have to the club and fans. Surely, giving 100% and repaying the faith put in them is all a fan/club can expect!

Take Marko Arnautovic. The 29 year old West Ham striker. He was brought in from Stoke and his performances and goals last season went a long way to steering the club away from relegation. 11 goals was his best return in 5 years in the EPL. But lets face it, what are West Ham going to achieve during the remaining 3 years of his contract. Not a lot I would suggest.

He is reportedly being offered wages that will see him earn between £20m and £22m MORE than he's currently earning. Yes, its in a tin pot league.

Why should he be loyal to the club? When there is an extra £20m on the table before you retire in 3 years what level of loyalty is a player like this expected to show? Like Sisokko, if his hard work was not producing any results, then the fans would turn against him and want him out anyway.

I would suggest that many people would quite happily take a downwards step in their career, or the status of their job, if it meant earning 2 or 3 times more.

I don't understand this in the example of players like Diego Costa who wanted away to China when playing at the top level with Chelsea.

Arnautavic will be called a mercenary. But who can blame him for wanting to boost his pension fund. This is his job, but our passion. Why should he be loyal to the clubs and fan when they routinely show no loyalty to their players?

posted on 11/1/19

comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 24 minutes ago
Stop making up stuff, who did i call a disloyal mercenary?

I said 99% of players are mercenaries, which is probaly true. They are all in it to earn as much as they can and if a better offer comes along, most of them will take it. What's hard to understand about that?
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Literally the same as every single one of us in our career.
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Exactly

posted on 11/1/19

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 43 minutes ago
Yup, he’s Austrian so it’s not like he plays for West Ham because he has a connection to them. He’s a mercenary, like 90% of the premier league. Mercenary’s go where the pay is best
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So if you took a job elsewhere because they offered you more money, are you a mercenary?

Or is this just life?

People seem to attach different values and expectations to footballers.

Why should a footballer, who is basically an employee, show any more loyalty to their employers than you or I ?

And who would forego £20m additional wages for the sake of loyalty?
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Would never blame anyone Who honestly told there club he wanted to leave for better financial terms , only no time for them that say one thing and do another.

posted on 11/1/19

comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 40 minutes ago
Stop making up stuff, who did i call a disloyal mercenary?

I said 99% of players are mercenaries, which is probaly true. They are all in it to earn as much as they can and if a better offer comes along, most of them will take it. What's hard to understand about that?
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99% of players (you just answered your own question BTW)

posted on 11/1/19

comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 24 minutes ago
Stop making up stuff, who did i call a disloyal mercenary?

I said 99% of players are mercenaries, which is probaly true. They are all in it to earn as much as they can and if a better offer comes along, most of them will take it. What's hard to understand about that?
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Literally the same as every single one of us in our career.
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Which makes us all mercenaries? or is it just life?

If someone offered me 3 times my wages for an easier job, i'd be off and my employers of 19 years & clients would probably understand.

Seems hard to band around the term mercenaries for footballers when their behaviour pretty much reflects that of the majority.

posted on 11/1/19

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 40 minutes ago
Stop making up stuff, who did i call a disloyal mercenary?

I said 99% of players are mercenaries, which is probaly true. They are all in it to earn as much as they can and if a better offer comes along, most of them will take it. What's hard to understand about that?
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99% of players (you just answered your own question BTW)
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Once again, who did i call a disloyal mercenary?

posted on 11/1/19

comment by Sloppyspurs (U13469)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 43 minutes ago
Yup, he’s Austrian so it’s not like he plays for West Ham because he has a connection to them. He’s a mercenary, like 90% of the premier league. Mercenary’s go where the pay is best
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So if you took a job elsewhere because they offered you more money, are you a mercenary?

Or is this just life?

People seem to attach different values and expectations to footballers.

Why should a footballer, who is basically an employee, show any more loyalty to their employers than you or I ?

And who would forego £20m additional wages for the sake of loyalty?
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Would never blame anyone Who honestly told there club he wanted to leave for better financial terms , only no time for them that say one thing and do another.
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Yes, Arnautovic wants the "challenge of a new market and to win titles"



Nah! He wants the bucks. Don't blame him. But be man enough to admit it. This sort of BS is what will annoy fans more!

posted on 11/1/19

comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 40 minutes ago
Stop making up stuff, who did i call a disloyal mercenary?

I said 99% of players are mercenaries, which is probaly true. They are all in it to earn as much as they can and if a better offer comes along, most of them will take it. What's hard to understand about that?
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99% of players (you just answered your own question BTW)
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Once again, who did i call a disloyal mercenary?
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You called 99% of players mercenaries on a thread about loyalty.

Mercenary by definition implies no loyalty or allegiance to anyone but themselves in achieving their primary goal of making money.

get over it!

posted on 11/1/19

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 40 minutes ago
Stop making up stuff, who did i call a disloyal mercenary?

I said 99% of players are mercenaries, which is probaly true. They are all in it to earn as much as they can and if a better offer comes along, most of them will take it. What's hard to understand about that?
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99% of players (you just answered your own question BTW)
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Once again, who did i call a disloyal mercenary?
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You called 99% of players mercenaries on a thread about loyalty.

Mercenary by definition implies no loyalty or allegiance to anyone but themselves in achieving their primary goal of making money.

get over it!
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Get over what?
You seem a bit upset that most players are in it for the money. Of course the primary goal is making money for themselves, then comes everything else.
Player loyalty in football is non exsistant, and most fans have learnt not to expect loyalty from players.

posted on 11/1/19

comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 40 minutes ago
Stop making up stuff, who did i call a disloyal mercenary?

I said 99% of players are mercenaries, which is probaly true. They are all in it to earn as much as they can and if a better offer comes along, most of them will take it. What's hard to understand about that?
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99% of players (you just answered your own question BTW)
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Once again, who did i call a disloyal mercenary?
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You called 99% of players mercenaries on a thread about loyalty.

Mercenary by definition implies no loyalty or allegiance to anyone but themselves in achieving their primary goal of making money.

get over it!
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Get over what?
You seem a bit upset that most players are in it for the money. Of course the primary goal is making money for themselves, then comes everything else.
Player loyalty in football is non exsistant, and most fans have learnt not to expect loyalty from players.
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That’s incorrect, player loyalty is existent. It’s just extremely rare in the English premier league.

posted on 11/1/19

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 36 minutes ago
Yup, he’s Austrian so it’s not like he plays for West Ham because he has a connection to them. He’s a mercenary, like 90% of the premier league. Mercenary’s go where the pay is best
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I'd say 99% of them are mercenaries.
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Do you want Ozil out of your club. Would you like him and his massive wages off your books? If so, where's your loyalty, or is it a one way thing?
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I'm loyal to my club, not the players.
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So, if you want a player out because he's not good enough, that's fine.

And if a player wants out because the club are not good enough, then he's a disloyal mercenary?

Or are you accepting that you have no loyalty to your players and are generally fickle in this respect?
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Why would you have loyalty to players? Very few demonstrate they were worth being loyal to. Most are overpaid selfish thicko’s who don’t deserve anyrhing like the adoration they get

Support the club, but generally don’t respect players.

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