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Got My Face On

Okay please slam the crap out of me for being a wrist slasher, I'm just in my feelings and having a moment.



We say Lampard is learning and I think that's where the frustration comes in for me tonight, they schooled us at Pride Park and I was looking forward to seeing how Frankie fought back. We got schooled again and fell into the same traps.

Leeds create overloads, they own the flanks and switch the ball round very quickly, they press high and are a shower of athletic, well built thugs. They play to a system and tonight we showed nothing of the sort to combat this. We tried to press man for man and ended up chasing shadows all night and getting overloaded, surprise, surprise.

I don't know if the plan was to play a counter attacking game, if so I think if Malone was fit we could have started with him. It felt like our full backs were either pushed back or stayed back which let Leeds onto us and get into their high pressing ping ball carousel. Could we have pushed Lowe and Bogle further forward?

Leeds were drilled to precision and played to a system. This is my frustration. I like Frankie and like what he's trying to do but worry that his formula is to and chuck a lot of talented goalscorers in the team and rely on individual talent as opposed to designing, rehearsing and drilling patterns of play and attack, that play to our strengths and exploit their weaknesses.

It felt like our play in the final third today played into Leeds' hands. They also overload in defence and we ran down every single fluking blind alley they gave us. To me there was little evidence of a game plan in the final third. Credit goes to Leeds for denying space, harrying and fouling with speed, pace and precision but still I thought we could have tried better. Gone backwards to go forwards, Bryson and Mount being braver searching for space ahead of the ball, passing into space away from the challenge, Marriott dropping deep onto Forshaw and Holmes or TL having a dink in behind maybe, I don't know.

We go on that we're a possession side but I didn't see a Derby player comfortable on the ball tonight. Too many looked one footed, wanted too many touches or were too nervous to play the simple ball. Our central midfield doesn't link at all, I'm not sure it really ever has. Even with Huddz there we just seem to play on the flanks or get the ball back through a high press. It's always risky playing though the centre of the park, but if you have three in the middle, and they overload the flanks I think this is where you need to be brave against high pressing teams.

Would Huddz holding, Bogle on the right, Malone on the left or an attacking Lowe given us more of an edge, Waggy on the left instead of Holmes for the long balls that you have to hit when under a lot of pressure. That's all easy to say in hindsight but I think I'd have liked to see us try this instead of Holmes at right back.

Maybe if you were trying to keep Holmes on as an attacking option I could see the calculated risk but switching to a 4-4-2 (like we did 2nd half) usually means the full backs can't push on like they can in a 4-3-3 as they have a winger ahead of them, there's less space for them to run into.

It felt like it was a throw of the dice as opposed to a calculated risk from our coaches. It backfired and again there was scant evidence we knew what we were doing with that formation. We made a few more pressing runs into their half but didn't open them up at all really. Then think we went 4-1-3-2 with Byrson holding when the Zoon came on, again I thought we were rolling the dice with it as opposed to being drilled playing this way.

I'm sure Frankie and Jody would destroy me tactically and explain the thinking behind it and why it failed it's just I had hoped we'd have seen progression against Leeds even if we didn't get the result.

My questions would be:

- Are we over reliant on individual talent and do we need to balance the talent with some more 'connectors' to use a Gary Rowett term? I'm thinking central MF ahead of the the holding MF. Mount was completely absent today and Bryson despite putting himself about with some last ditch lunging was unable to win the ball back or play anyone in. Can a ball winner with a 5-10 yard simple passing game give us a bit more protection and link up play.

- Do we need to become more drilled, especially in the final third?

- What are we doing with our full backs, whenever they push high up the pitch we look decent whenever they retreat into their shells we look susceptible?

- I feel like our plan B's are a bit too throwy of the dice-y. Like when SM used to just put Conor Sammon on as a sub when chasing a game. Okay that's not a question.

- Would another fast CB help us press higher and push our full backs forward.

In terms of effort though I think we did try hard and never stopped trying despite being battered physically and technically.

Yes it's another opportunity for learning but tonight I felt we showed evidence of not learning.

Sorry rant over. I love you Derby I just didn't like your behaviour tonight. #sorrynotsorry.






posted on 12/1/19

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posted on 12/1/19

Not intended to provoke - just something that many might not be aware of:

Perhaps someone should remind Frank Lampard that Chelsea had something called the Opponent Observation Department headed-up by Andreas Villas-Boas under Mourhino.

AV-S quote:
“My work enables Jose to know exactly when a player from the opposition team is likely to be at his best or his weakest,” he explained. “I will travel to training grounds, often incognito, and look at our opponents’ mental and physical state before drawing my conclusions. Jose will leave nothing to chance.”

I don't recall Frank complaining to the police or the press during those days?
Full story:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/8590660/Chelsea-manager-Andre-Villas-Boas-is-an-analyst-who-leaves-nothing-a-chance.html

posted on 12/1/19

comment by LeedsFanFor43Years (U6871)
posted 24 minutes ago

Not intended to provoke - just something that many might not be aware of:

Perhaps someone should remind Frank Lampard that Chelsea had something called the Opponent Observation Department headed-up by Andreas Villas-Boas under Mourhino.

AV-S quote:
“My work enables Jose to know exactly when a player from the opposition team is likely to be at his best or his weakest,” he explained. “I will travel to training grounds, often incognito, and look at our opponents’ mental and physical state before drawing my conclusions. Jose will leave nothing to chance.”

I don't recall Frank complaining to the police or the press during those days?
Full story:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/8590660/Chelsea-manager-Andre-Villas-Boas-is-an-analyst-who-leaves-nothing-a-chance.html

So you're saying that Lampard knew about all that?
Lampard didn't complain to anyone let alone the police going on from what he's said in interviews.
As far as I'm concerned They guy filming the training had no baring on the result, Derby didn't turn up simple as...

posted on 12/1/19

This wasn't a case of a guy with binoculars viewing from the road side. He was found on his hands and knees by the fence and in possession of pliers. I think you could infer from that he wanted to gain illegal access to the training ground. Obviously from the comments from Bielsa and Pochettino this is normal practice in Argentina. He has probably done it before. Leeds owners have acknowledged this and apologised to Mel Morris. Hope Bielsa accepts British norms of behaviour from now on. As with Villa-Boas I don't think this football espionage made much difference anyway.

posted on 12/1/19

Sorry about last night Frank. I’m doing better this morning though, just needed to vent.

😬

posted on 12/1/19

I don't think the spying caused us to lose. We lost because they played better than we did. They we're quicker to the ball, a yard ahead all night, more skilful and they wanted to win much more than we did.

But the underhandedness simply indicates the lengths some managers will go to to gain an advantage. Was he filming? did he want to get caught to cause the distraction he did? Significant questions.

I admired very much the way they played and believe they will win promotion as the best team in the division.

But I do not admire them any more than I ever did. In fact my dislike and contempt has increased. Especially after the goalkeeper extreme violence against Holmes which was as bad an incident as anything I have seen for years.

posted on 12/1/19

You lost to a good Leeds side playing good football, any thuggery came from Derby.

posted on 12/1/19

Yes, Leeds' keeper did a horrible kick. No excuses for that.
But that doesn't take away the fact that it was Derby who played most dirty in this game. And were lucky not to get a red.

posted on 13/1/19

Fact is, 2w, that a team with a newly qualified coach lost to a team with a world class coach. Derby wiped the floor with us last season but with pretty much the same squad, we have become a force to be reckoned with in this division. We have players like Shackleton, Halme and Clarke who slot into the first team like they have always been there, we have the fittest team in the division and our possession statistics are second to none. All of this with an injury crisis second to none - Bamford, Berardi and Brown out for months, with other key players out for 4 - 6 weeks throughout the season.
We all think, 'how are we going to cope without...' and then one of the academy kids steps in and dominates the opposition. It's no fluke. It's Bielsa. Why couldn't other managers do it? They are not in the same league. Bielsa hasn't just transformed the team, he has transformed the club, top to bottom. As someone who was vehemently opposed to his appointment, I can proudly say, 'I was wrong!' The man is a genius. Simple as that. We haven't had a coach this good in 25 years.
I'd love to see Lamps get you up to the Premiership. I liked him as a pro and as a person. I think he will be a great coach if you give him the time, but Bielsa, he is not. Best of luck to the Rams for the rest of the season.

posted on 16/1/19

What do you all think of this?


Stuart Pearce quoted on Sky Sports:

"It's not right and proper, from whatever country you come from. It will be interesting to see what the punishment will be from the FA. We've not seen anything as clear-cut as this before.


"If it was me, the team that it has affected the most is Derby, and I would reverse the scoreline. Let the punishment fit the crime. It fits this brilliantly.

Do you think the EFL call him in, and say: 'Don't do that again'. Or I think the way I've approached it, the punishment directly fits the crime in this case."

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