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Off-topic: Environment in multiple crises

"The window of opportunity to avoid catastrophic outcomes is rapidly closing."

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47203344

The planet is dying at an accelerating rate due to human activity. And it is clear that policymakers and industry leaders alone won't be taking the decisive action required to change our course and avert disaster.

*In the last week alone* we have heard about devastating flooding, new record temperatures, frightening statistics on air pollution-related deaths in China, and, perhaps most troubling of all given what it might mean, insect populations crashing.

My open question is:

What sacrifices are people making in their everyday lives to help ensure their grandchildren's children have a hospitable planet to live on?

posted on 12/2/19

comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 41 minutes ago
Overpopulation can be exaggerated sometimes. It is natural progression of our society and of course it is also natural progression that it hits a peak with development and then population actually decreases for a given cohort. The population growth rate for the whole world continues to decline each year although I believe we are still decades away from being population neutral worldwide.
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This is one of the most dangerous opinions around.

For each set of people to reach a level of education, tech, security and wealth they so far have had to become massive contributors to climate damage.

By the time the population levels off (if it does) the world will be completely destroyed

posted on 12/2/19

comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Scott Wright (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone here a canada goose jacket w4nker?
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My sons mate buys all that gear, he bought some shoes/trainers the other week for £500

Nobhead
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I got refused a sale when I went to wherever it is you buy them, because they needed the dates between which I had a North Face jacket, and before that the dates between which I had a Superdry jacket. Needed 5 years worth of proof that I had them at the exact times that they were what I was meant to have. Failed by one week on the North Face jacket. Also little bit of a heads up, don't even think about going into the shop and trying to buy one without an iphone. You'll be shown the door immediately.

posted on 12/2/19

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 6 minutes ago
I'm sure companies would happily do the same if it didn't mean going bankrupt.
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Sadly, there will always be some people/companies that will do absolutely anything to make just that little bit more money.

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Unfortunately those people are pulling political strings.
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Then I return you to the comment I made earlier about the nature of the market:

Supply is dictated by demand.

No government or corporation can force us to buy a Volkswagen, Dyson or Aberdeen Angus steak, holiday in the Canaries, or turn the AC on.

The power - and actually the responsibility - is in our hands, not the politicians, business moguls or other vested interests.

We can just say, "No!"

And nobody can stop us from doing so.
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That is all correct bar one thing... government subsidies and taxation.

Your average family is going to buy 4L of subsidised milk over 1L of, say, almond milk at a similar price. They are also going to keep buying stuff in cheap, plastic containers for as long as the government don't take the companies for using these type of packaging.

If everything was a level playing field, i'm sure more people would make more ethical choices.
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You are absolutely right, of course. As I said above, we need all of population control, technology, regulation and personal responsibility to stand a fighting chance.

I am trying to push the latter a bit harder, because it's the most obvious and easy one for us plebs in the developed world to effect, and also in no small part because I'm fed up of hearing people say, "What I do won't make any difference - governments and companies need to act," when what they actually mean is, "My day-to-day would be slightly more inconvenient or uncomfortable if I had to make any real effort to consider my impact on the environment."

posted on 12/2/19

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 9 minutes ago

Hi OP,

Interesting article !

You may recall that I mentioned the other day I'm also reluctant to have children for the same reasons as others' have stated. So, I may never end up with great-grandchildren to leave a hospitable planet to live on.

In the interim, I'm doing a few little things to help such as recycling, etc.

As for sacrifices, I've sacrificed many hundreds of thousands of dollars salary and lost a smoking hot gf (found a better replacement so not so sad) by making a sea-change. I've devoted most of the last decade of my life to develop and teach novel biotechnologogical processes to improve sustainability of a myriad of aquaculture fisheries species throughout the Asia-Pacific region.

I've helped remove a species of endangered fish from International Union for Conservation of Nature’s Red List of Threatened Species and also helped raise some impoverished S.E Asian coastal communities from poverty in an ecologically sustainable manner.

Still plenty more to do, but every little bit helps.
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Absolute dross.
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Tea on laptop screen

posted on 12/2/19

comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 6 minutes ago
I'm sure companies would happily do the same if it didn't mean going bankrupt.
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Sadly, there will always be some people/companies that will do absolutely anything to make just that little bit more money.

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Unfortunately those people are pulling political strings.
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Then I return you to the comment I made earlier about the nature of the market:

Supply is dictated by demand.

No government or corporation can force us to buy a Volkswagen, Dyson or Aberdeen Angus steak, holiday in the Canaries, or turn the AC on.

The power - and actually the responsibility - is in our hands, not the politicians, business moguls or other vested interests.

We can just say, "No!"

And nobody can stop us from doing so.
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That is all correct bar one thing... government subsidies and taxation.

Your average family is going to buy 4L of subsidised milk over 1L of, say, almond milk at a similar price. They are also going to keep buying stuff in cheap, plastic containers for as long as the government don't take the companies for using these type of packaging.

If everything was a level playing field, i'm sure more people would make more ethical choices.
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You are absolutely right, of course. As I said above, we need all of population control, technology, regulation and personal responsibility to stand a fighting chance.

I am trying to push the latter a bit harder, because it's the most obvious and easy one for us plebs in the developed world to effect, and also in no small part because I'm fed up of hearing people say, "What I do won't make any difference - governments and companies need to act," when what they actually mean is, "My day-to-day would be slightly more inconvenient or uncomfortable if I had to make any real effort to consider my impact on the environment."
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Definitely giving the general population too much credit. They literally do not care what is good for themselves, hence McDonalds and Coke etc being so successful. They are not willing to take personal responsibility for their own health. Why would they take personal responsibility for something that they do not understand or care about? To control a mass of stupid people (I'm not sure what the collective term is, a pile maybe) you just need to forcibly take things away from them. A baby is not just going to give you its rattle. But the baby is not going to want the rattle in the first place if it doesn't know about the rattle.

posted on 12/2/19

Interesting discussion lads.

My only issue is that often when we look at this topic we don't have the full picture.

So for example someone mentioned India before in terms.of pollution. But (and I forget the details so people may need to look it up) the air travel pollution in India isn't from India necessarily but how India lies in the world. America may have more planes taking off and landing but the pollution may end up elsewhere (if that makes sense?)

Also if it's true, then owning a dog has a higher carbon footprint than having a car

Over population for me isn't an issue, a bloke with 10 kids in Africa won't necessarily have the same footprint as a couple in say UK. Simple things like them pooing in a field is better than us flushing ours into the sea etc.


And the biggest factor is stuff we don't think about. The wars currently happening are polluting in a way that may be irreversible or certainly take a long time. Nasa missions and satellites for our phones etc have created a scrapyard in space etc

Species's obliteration can be down to "green measures" in the long term. So the replanting if certain trees seems like a plan but the replacements are often trees not conducive to all the "life" in that area but we feel good about doing our bit.


Now I'm sure people will disagree etc, and that's fine but my point is we need to look at a collective not simply recycling plastic (incidentally anyone seen/heard how a lot of that is governmental rather than Joe bloggs? In that our govts are happier to export our krap to places knowing full well they just dump it. So us dilligently putting stuff in the right colour bins etc becomes somewhat pointless so the govt can save a few pounds)

posted on 12/2/19

I am trying to push the latter a bit harder, because it's the most obvious and easy one for us plebs in the developed world to effect, and also in no small part because I'm fed up of hearing people say, "What I do won't make any difference - governments and companies need to act," when what they actually mean is, "My day-to-day would be slightly more inconvenient or uncomfortable if I had to make any real effort to consider my impact on the environment."
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Yea, it's a weak excuse in general. I can empathise with people in that you can live your absolute best life in terms of the environment and feel even more deflated by the excesses that are evident around us.

But it is also easy to see where your own personal efforts can influence many, many people who can make genuine change. The internet has made this happen a whole lot quicker too.

posted on 12/2/19

What sacrifices are people making in their everyday lives to help ensure their grandchildren's children have a hospitable planet to live on?
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Small things really. I don’t eat red meat. I can drive but don’t own a car and use trains for work. I buy bottled drinks as infrequently as I can. Obviously I recycle, for what it’s worth. I’m sure there is more.

Most importantly, though, I’m not having children or grandchildren

posted on 12/2/19

Reading about all of the members of the United board not planning on having kids leaves me a little worried about the future of ja606

posted on 12/2/19

comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
Reading about all of the members of the United board not planning on having kids leaves me a little worried about the future of ja606
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I wonder if the City board has a stronger academy? If each of them had two boys, they’d be able to field a whole XI with a sub. Blue moon rising.

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