For the last 2 years and 9 months I had accepted that the vote to leave though narrow, was democratic and legitimate.
Over that period I have understood the following:
- The Leave vote was tainted by foreign money, criminal actions and more lies than I’ve had hit dinners.
- I have understood that people who voted leave had a plethora of ideas as to what Leave actually meant.
- I have seen our PM put her Tory Party before the country.
- I have witnessed some 80 Tory MPs of the ERG with 10 despicable DUP MPs essentially dictate the Brexit agenda and our PM pay homage to this group and bend to their every whim.
- I have watched aghast as our PM, a PM of the whole country, ignore Parliament time after time even though many who voted Leave wanted Parliamentary Sovereignty and taking back control.
First by not allowing a MV in Parliament.
Second by failing to acknowledge that the vote to Leave was narrow 52:48 and that the 48 needed to be represented.
Third, May made this a Tory / ERG Brexit - by not working across Parliament to have a consensus BEFORE activating A50.
Fourth, failing to release legal advice and be in contempt of Parliament.
Fifth, failing to remove “no deal" off the table even when Parliament voted for this.
Sixth, a PM who wants to force Parliament to accept her deal no matter how many times she has to present it and refuses the people to have a second chance to vote in her deal now that we know what Brexit really means.
Finally, a PM who has lost her mind, balance and has become so arrogant and self centred that she could pitch herself as a “defender of the people" against Parliament.
- May has now made this once great country a laughingstock globally.
- May and her right-wing extremists in the ERG want the UK to be a vassal state of the USA and force us to feed our kids chlorinated chicken, hormone injected meat and GM plants.
When the facts change, we are entitled to change our minds.
Democracy did not die on the 23rd June 2016.
A second vote does not preclude a Leave victory be it on May’s Deal or No Deal. It merely represents an opportunity to reflect after nearly 3 years and a lot more information whether the 2016 vote is still what the people want.
I ask all and sundry to ask themselves that a delay of a year or so is a small price to pay to avoid an economic catastrophe unless on reflection we choose to continue down that road in a second referendum.
We have a choice.
We can pass May’s Deal this coming week with a proviso that the people have a chance to accept or reject it in a second referendum.
This is the only way to square this circle - where Parliament cannot agree to May’s Deal - that May, our PM if she truly wants to reach out to the people on whose side she claims to be, that the same people be given a chance to pass their verdict on her efforts.
A second referendum is not anti-democratic. If, as David Davis has said in 2012, is true, that “IF A DEMOCRACY CANNOT CHANGE ITS MIND, IT CEASES TO BE A DEMOCRACY" - then a second vote is wholly consistent with that.
My thoughts summed up
posted on 27/3/19
comment by wearethefamousTHFC (U19211)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Tomkins (U1116)
posted 4 seconds ago
You lost. I don't have to explain myself to you as to why I still support it.
Victory still tastes sweet
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wish i had a quid for every minute wastedon here by these clowns
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Why do you bother? Honestly?
You never contribute to the debate and simply whine about those who actually care for the future of the country. It's embarrassing to read at times.
posted on 27/3/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by wearethefamousTHFC (U19211)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Tomkins (U1116)
posted 4 seconds ago
You lost. I don't have to explain myself to you as to why I still support it.
Victory still tastes sweet
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wish i had a quid for every minute wastedon here by these clowns
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Why do you bother? Honestly?
You never contribute to the debate and simply whine about those who actually care for the future of the country. It's embarrassing to read at times.
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To be fair!
We are is just putting bluntly how millions feel, and perfectly entitled to.
Parliament is remain and blocking Any brexit against the real peoples vote.
I voted leave and have my doubts, but that is how democracy works....All have a vote and not just the few who obsess about the eu in every little detail......while not actually mentioning very often the downside that makes tens of millions of Europeans what we now call populists.
posted on 27/3/19
Tomkins..
It is crazy now that someone inept such as May and a remain parliament are in charge of executing the will of the people in 2016.
Brexit May well go south, but if we believe in democracy? ....that is how we elect parliament and govt, do if we are stupid on brexit, why trust us to elect Corbyn or May???
posted on 27/3/19
comment by wearethefamousTHFC (U19211)
posted 45 minutes ago
The dumb thing is no one can say staying will be a good thing for this country in the long term so its utter boooooooooooooolllcks really... a few days weeks months or even yrs to get to where we want to get to is to much for some snowflakes ... using your anology`s man would never of left the trees or caves ,, man would never of built boats, planes etc ... all this we must stay as we are booooooooooooooolllocks .. SNOWFLAKES who dont have the minerals to make their way in life
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So there's no guarantee we'll be well off staying in the EU, but we're guaranteed to get some Brexit utopia so long as we give it enough time?
posted on 27/3/19
It’s a circular meaningless “debate”.
As I’ve said, everyone is just sick fed up and tired of it all and want it done and dusted. And while some choose to take that literally what is meant by that is getting out of the EU for a start. Getting out is inky the start of the full negotiation. That was the referendum result whether millions like it or not.
All we read is how awful it’s all going to be by so called experts on here who can only give either their opinion or cite someone’s rhetoric that supports their view. For months we’ve had this yet so far there might be one on here who has changed their mind. Brilliant.
The more people I listen to the more entrenched they become in their own views for both sides so nothing so far convinces me that anything will change from a leave vote.
If parliament manage to stop or prevent Brexit then democracy is finished in this country. No ifs and no buts. It’s done.
We must leave the EU to respect a national referendum to have any credibility.
posted on 27/3/19
May promises to resign if the WA passes.
This is the eu deal, not hers.
The whole episode is soap opera.
posted on 27/3/19
Hope the deal doesn't pass
posted on 27/3/19
comment by Tomkins (U1116)
posted 12 minutes ago
Hope the deal doesn't pass
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Macron will make sure we can’t go back for an extension or any other deal so it is what it is.
posted on 27/3/19
No deal it is then
posted on 27/3/19
comment by Tomkins (U1116)
posted 1 minute ago
No deal it is then
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Hopefully it’s WTO as far as I’m concerned.