Trophies Are Coming

comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 15 hours, 20 minutes ago
We can sign anybody if we pay them enough, they are not going to accept less money than what is on offer elsewhere, best stadium or not.

Wages are what attract footballers, not CL, training grounds or stadiums etc
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Billy I know we have to offer more in wages, that's fundamental, I guess what I'm trying to say is if a player has a choice between say Spurs and Chelsea and there isn't much in the wages then I think the world class stadium and the project here at Spurs would sway them where as in the past it hasn't.

You are right though it is down to money and we do need to step up with wages.

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I believe our wages are low, but our bonus structure somewhat compensates....

it makes sense tbh.. if you win, score, perform, then you get big bonuses....

comment by grandspurs (U3810)
posted 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
I know some of you, Don in particular, get frustrated with Spurs at times but I am personally quite proud of the way we have done things.

We dont have a sugar daddy to throw money at us and despite being miles behind financially 10 years ago we have shown real progress.

Thru hard work we managed to break in the CL spots for a start. We have also managed to build a new stadium which is simply magnificent despite what others may say.

We have done all this on a very restricted budget and with a very strict wage policy. We had no choice its that simple.

Despite the cost of the new stadium we are in a really good situation financially and hopefully trophies will come in the near future.

If they dont then so be it I will still be proud of the way we have progressed when certain sides have had over 20 years of CL money but have still finished behind us in the league over the last couple of years.

That to me is progress in a great way especially compared to clubs that have unlimited money available to them but seem to be going backwards at times.


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I am proud mate, but there comes a time when you need to stop being proud of achieving nothing. We still haven’t achieved anything mate and I would be extremely disappointed to see a talented Spurs side like this not win anything. Fact of the matter is players want to win stuff. Yes getting in the CL will help us in the short term, but the likes of Dele Ali and even Harry Kane will not stick around forever unless we are winning stuff. This boils down to the hierarchy who need to help us achieve that.

yeah but Don look where we were... I think you underestimate how far behind Arsenal / Man U etc we were...

we were finishing mid table at best, 30 / 40 points behind these teams....

to give some context, we were finishing similar to how a team like Bournemouth finishes now.... now think how long it would take Bournemouth to assemble a side to finish where we do now.... without a sugar daddy...

now, we are a far, far bigger club than Bournemouth... but they are performing in leagues and cups just how we were for a long time !

comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 27 minutes ago
yeah but Don look where we were... I think you underestimate how far behind Arsenal / Man U etc we were...

we were finishing mid table at best, 30 / 40 points behind these teams....

to give some context, we were finishing similar to how a team like Bournemouth finishes now.... now think how long it would take Bournemouth to assemble a side to finish where we do now.... without a sugar daddy...

now, we are a far, far bigger club than Bournemouth... but they are performing in leagues and cups just how we were for a long time !
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Spot on.

We have been slowly building within our means since Levy came in, we've had a few setbacks along the way but we have taken some big steps to reach our goal which is winning leagues and cups and competing with the big boys.

The stadium is one of the last big steps to reaching that goal imo.

comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 47 minutes ago
yeah but Don look where we were... I think you underestimate how far behind Arsenal / Man U etc we were...

we were finishing mid table at best, 30 / 40 points behind these teams....

to give some context, we were finishing similar to how a team like Bournemouth finishes now.... now think how long it would take Bournemouth to assemble a side to finish where we do now.... without a sugar daddy...

now, we are a far, far bigger club than Bournemouth... but they are performing in leagues and cups just how we were for a long time !
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We were but how long do you keep bringing that old chestnut up ? So another 10 years with no trophy before you say it’s unacceptable? I think we have underachieved big time as a club and should be winning a lot more than 1 league cup in 20 years. I think for a club of Spurs size and history, that’s really poor going. Yes improvements have been made in the league of course, but we haven’t been a midtable team for years mate. We were a top 7 side under Martin Jol so it’s been donkeys years since Spurs were a mid table average outfit. Time for us to step up as a club and start bringing trophies to the table.

comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 47 minutes ago
yeah but Don look where we were... I think you underestimate how far behind Arsenal / Man U etc we were...

we were finishing mid table at best, 30 / 40 points behind these teams....

to give some context, we were finishing similar to how a team like Bournemouth finishes now.... now think how long it would take Bournemouth to assemble a side to finish where we do now.... without a sugar daddy...

now, we are a far, far bigger club than Bournemouth... but they are performing in leagues and cups just how we were for a long time !
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We were but how long do you keep bringing that old chestnut up ? So another 10 years with no trophy before you say it’s unacceptable? I think we have underachieved big time as a club and should be winning a lot more than 1 league cup in 20 years. I think for a club of Spurs size and history, that’s really poor going. Yes improvements have been made in the league of course, but we haven’t been a midtable team for years mate. We were a top 7 side under Martin Jol so it’s been donkeys years since Spurs were a mid table average outfit. Time for us to step up as a club and start bringing trophies to the table.
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another 10 years would be unacceptable because we are now at the level where we have a good enough team, manager, and are a big enough club to be competing for, and winning big trophies....

that's what our growth period has been about..... sustainable growth to make us a top European side year after year after year....

Putting my Arsenal bias and natural hatred of Tottenham to one side (well, trying to).

I think you need to look at things relatively, don.

Yeah, this is your best squad in ages, but there is more competition at the top level then there has ever been before. It is extremely difficult to win silverware.

At domestic level, you are competing with Man City, Chelsea and Man United, who are all financial juggernauts, then you have Liverpool and Arsenal who can comfortably outspend you too. Then Wolves have been taken over by a Far East consortium and have had lots of cash injected into their club, which enabled them to also recruit an experienced continental manager. And you also have Everton, who have spent significant sums of money the last few years, yet still haven't gotten any closer to breaking into the top 6.

At European level, you're not just competing amongst 3 of the top 6 Premier League sides, but you've got Juventus, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, PSG, Atletico Madrid, as well as both AC and Inter Milan going on spending sprees looking to get back to the top.

I get maybe you've been disappointed to not progress further in the FA or League Cup, but you've made the League Cup semi-finals twice under Poch, reached one final and reached FA Cup semi-finals once (if I'm not mistaken). Yet, you have (aside from this year) been knocked out by clubs whose resources outstrip yours by a country mile. So it's not as if you haven't been close.

But also, winning those trophies is not necessarily a measure of progress.

We won 3 FA Cups and reached a League Cup final in 5 years, yet that didn't halt the animosity and vitriol directed towards Wenger. Fans were still unhappy. And look at how far back we've been set as a club. We are miles off European elite level.

You've actually done extremely well to get to the point you are at currently on a tight transfer budget.

Unfortunately, in the modern era, the money you get from CL football and finishing in the top 4 is what is required to attract and retain top players. Potentially losing that income, for the sake of a few domestic cups, will affect your finances more than you realise. The long-term ramifications could be huge.

As an Arsenal fan, I hope everything you do fails. But with the new stadium done, and with Levy saying the stadium costs accrued will not affect your transfer plans, you could possibly get even closer to the best sides in Europe. With Poch's track record, I wouldn't be surprised (though I hope I'm wrong).

This boils down to the hierarchy who need to help us achieve that.
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Don

Thats if we can afford to. We dont know exactly what we can and cant afford with the stadium costs etc and I dont take much notice of statements saying transfers will not be affected by the stadium.

Lets face it do you walk in the pub or go to work telling people you dont know that when you are skint and cant afford the phone bill? No of course you dont the club has to show a front for shareholders even if at times its not strictly accurate.

I dont know for sure what we can and cant afford and neither does anybody else on this forum but with what I have seen over the last 10 years I do trust Levy.

Firstly he is a fan and he has a lot of his own money invested.

Secondly if we were to start winning things the club would be worth even more money and that of course would mean Levy was even richer.

Levy is a very astute business man and I honestly believe that if we had extra money to buy players/pay huge wages then as he knows he would also benefit financially because the club would be worth even more money why would he not do it?

Its not rocket science