5 points to discuss including Spygate and diving.
1. Will the FA rescind the red card that Son picked up against Bournemouth for what appeared to be a strike to the chest? Surely if Harrioune was found not guilty of violent conduct for jabbing Klich in the stomach, Son will get let off. If not then the FA are inconsistent.
2. Bamford was rightfully banned for deceiving the referee in the game against Villa last week. Fabinho dived last night against Newcastle and deceived the referee, in which it has more consequences incolved in relation to the title race, will he get a two game ban like Bamford? If not, the FA are inconsistent.
3. Did anyone see Kodjia's goal celebration today? It was a mock of the 'injury ' that he picked up himself that was so bad that Leeds had to kick the ball out. It caused Leeds a lot of grief unwanted media attention. Classey behaviour. Even classier that Harrioune set it up when he should be suspended
4. A big shout to the idiotic sky sports reporter who mocked Bielsa today by asking him whether Leeds would spy on Derby ahead of our playoff clash. Professional journalist or a ***t?
5. Who are you backing in the playoffs?
5 points to discuss
posted on 5/5/19
The Bamford incident and players allegedly diving in a tackle are completely different scenarios. Some dives are obvious, others not so much, which makes those very tough to call indeed. Any reviewing panel has to agree 100%, and like many court cases, one juror may not agree with something that another feels is clear cut. They are based on the opinion. The Bamford one is as clear an offence of cheating as you're going to get and not even worthy of debate. Any player who did the same thing would be banned on review. There is no anti Leeds agenda.
posted on 5/5/19
In terms of deceiving officials, what was the consensus opinion on here when Roofe scored a winner with his hand? Were most posters calling for him to be banned?
posted on 5/5/19
A few comments on the Roofe goal (equalizer, not a winner, my bad) from your match thread against Forest in October...
"Handball. Brilliant"
"If they disallow it I'm turning it off"
"How deserved was that! Yes!"
"We should try that more often"
"Was a handball though"..."Yes it was but I don't care"
"Whether it was ball to hand or hand to ball, it went in, it was given - move on."
Proves fans only care about injustice when it happens against them. Most don't actually give a damn if the luck goes their way. Who knew...
posted on 6/5/19
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
The Bamford incident and players allegedly diving in a tackle are completely different scenarios. Some dives are obvious, others not so much, which makes those very tough to call indeed. Any reviewing panel has to agree 100%, and like many court cases, one juror may not agree with something that another feels is clear cut. They are based on the opinion. The Bamford one is as clear an offence of cheating as you're going to get and not even worthy of debate. Any player who did the same thing would be banned on review. There is no anti Leeds agenda.
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Spot on. You just said what I said but did it better
posted on 6/5/19
Champers agree all fans spot injustices against their team but turn a blind eye when it’s their boys. Human nature.
Re agenda? I don’t share the persecution complex that seems to have stuck around since hardaker and the revie years but we’ve been on the wrong end of some unfathomable decisions or none decisions this year...
I haven’t seen one leeds fan argue that Bamford didn’t get what he deserved (even those likening it to diving here)... but we are saying hourihane deserved a ban. Earlier in the season canos escaped punishment despite video evidence of a head butt.
posted on 6/5/19
comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 39 minutes ago
Champers agree all fans spot injustices against their team but turn a blind eye when it’s their boys. Human nature.
Re agenda? I don’t share the persecution complex that seems to have stuck around since hardaker and the revie years but we’ve been on the wrong end of some unfathomable decisions or none decisions this year...
I haven’t seen one leeds fan argue that Bamford didn’t get what he deserved (even those likening it to diving here)... but we are saying hourihane deserved a ban. Earlier in the season canos escaped punishment despite video evidence of a head butt.
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Agree with you 100% Milky. You've had some weird ones go against you - the Hourihane and Canos ones would have taken me one angle and 5 seconds to say "guilty". I don't watch anywhere near as much football as I used to do since kids came along, so I can't pluck any examples out, but I don't doubt fans of other teams would say they've been mistreated by judicial panels on occasion.
One thing I didn't know, and I probably should given my deep family history of supporting Leeds, is that this complex goes back that far. I thought it was a modern thing borne from the minus fifteen points deduction and exacerbated by social media. If it's been around 40-50 years it would go a long way to explaining why it's so ingrained in the mindset of many Leeds supporters. The Bayern final is the only thing I'm aware of historically, hence the "Waccoe" chant.
posted on 6/5/19
The bitterness towards the authorities does indeed go back to the 1960s. As quoted in wikipedia "During the 1960s and '70s Hardaker had a bitter relationship with Leeds United manager Don Revie, during the club's ten year pursuit of domestic and European honours. Revie and his team frequently ran foul of Hardaker's demanding fixture schedules and autocratic rule as secretary of the Football League. The acrimony between Revie and Hardaker continued when Revie took up the post as England national manager."
At that time a particularly nasty racist called Bob Lord was also part of the Football League Committee. He also hated Leeds United.
posted on 6/5/19
Just mentioned Mr Hardaker this morning on Twitter on a tweet about the home internationals, in 1972 we had to play Wolves 48 hrs after the cup final we asked to play on the Wednesday and the FA said you can but the home internationals start on Saturday so your England players can't play, cost us the double
posted on 6/5/19
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by milkyboy (U12731)
posted 39 minutes ago
Champers agree all fans spot injustices against their team but turn a blind eye when it’s their boys. Human nature.
Re agenda? I don’t share the persecution complex that seems to have stuck around since hardaker and the revie years but we’ve been on the wrong end of some unfathomable decisions or none decisions this year...
I haven’t seen one leeds fan argue that Bamford didn’t get what he deserved (even those likening it to diving here)... but we are saying hourihane deserved a ban. Earlier in the season canos escaped punishment despite video evidence of a head butt.
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Agree with you 100% Milky. You've had some weird ones go against you - the Hourihane and Canos ones would have taken me one angle and 5 seconds to say "guilty". I don't watch anywhere near as much football as I used to do since kids came along, so I can't pluck any examples out, but I don't doubt fans of other teams would say they've been mistreated by judicial panels on occasion.
One thing I didn't know, and I probably should given my deep family history of supporting Leeds, is that this complex goes back that far. I thought it was a modern thing borne from the minus fifteen points deduction and exacerbated by social media. If it's been around 40-50 years it would go a long way to explaining why it's so ingrained in the mindset of many Leeds supporters. The Bayern final is the only thing I'm aware of historically, hence the "Waccoe" chant.
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Well we are all bitter and twisted from the European cup final but that was just the dessert to the 1973 cup winners cup final:
“Milan beat Leeds with a controversial goal from Luciano Chiarugi, who scored direct from an indirect free kick after four minutes of the game played in Salonika, Greece.
Greek referee Christos Michas was subsequently investigated by his own football association on suspicion that he had been bribed by Milan.
He was then banned by Uefa from refereeing international club matches. Soon after the final Leeds asked Uefa for a replay, which was refused.
Along with the suspect goal, Michas is claimed to have ignored a series of apparently obvious fouls against Leeds players. The local fans shouted “shame” at the referee and were so incensed that Milan’s attempts at a lap of honour were halted by a barrage of missiles.”. Some of the stuff that went on in that match was beyond belief.
The domestic saga with the football league goes back to an ongoing spat between Don Revie and Alan Hardaker primarily over fixture congestion. It culminated in the 1972 run in where at one point we played 10 games in a calendar month and then played our last match (needing a point for the title) 2 days after the FA cup final. Victims of our own success in many ways but we got no leeway and Yorkshireman have long memories!
posted on 6/5/19
Thanks for the replies - I genuinely didn't know a lot of that stuff.
Was the 1972 one, domestically, where you had that obscene offside goal scored against you? I remember seeing it on some "own goals and gaffes" VHS I had as a kid.