Good news in my view. The more people we have in the football department that know what a United player looks like in terms of character and profile the better. Phelan understands this as much as anyone and his previous assessments of the United suggests he understands where some of the problems lie.
Also it dispels the rumours that he might be the DoF.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48226047
Phelan Confirmed as Assistant Manager
posted on 10/5/19
I haven't listed any wins, have I?
As everyone half sensible recognised even when we were winning games comfortably, player fitness was going to take its toll later in the season. Combined with injuries, performances certainly dipped. A few players probably thought they could revert back to taking their foot off the gas, too. Again, that's not a reflection of Ole. We've had these problems for a long time.
posted on 10/5/19
Or maybe just maybe the players reacted to Jose leaving and then once that novelty wore off and this thing called ‘expectation management’ set it Ole didn’t really have a clue how to manage Manchester United football club and it’s too big for him as it was for Moyes and many other before and after
posted on 10/5/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 33 minutes ago
Or maybe just maybe the players reacted to Jose leaving and then once that novelty wore off and this thing called ‘expectation management’ set it Ole didn’t really have a clue how to manage Manchester United football club and it’s too big for him as it was for Moyes and many other before and after
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Maybe, except this is wild speculation.
It's not, however, speculation that the players suffered injuries, our squad fitness is clearly not as good as that of our rivals, that our playing personnel are not as good as the other top teams in the league, and that our dropped points and lost games came mostly against teams that are clearly better than us, or quite similar.
posted on 10/5/19
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 33 minutes ago
Or maybe just maybe the players reacted to Jose leaving and then once that novelty wore off and this thing called ‘expectation management’ set it Ole didn’t really have a clue how to manage Manchester United football club and it’s too big for him as it was for Moyes and many other before and after
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Maybe, except this is wild speculation.
It's not, however, speculation that the players suffered injuries, our squad fitness is clearly not as good as that of our rivals, that our playing personnel are not as good as the other top teams in the league, and that our dropped points and lost games came mostly against teams that are clearly better than us, or quite similar.
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All true and I'm sure Nobb has to accept all of those points but will still retort with
"bUt OlE oNlY mAnAgEd MoLdE aNd GoT bEaT bY bArCa"
posted on 10/5/19
We had injuries but it was never a case where we struggled to put out a decent bunch of players
You mention squad fitness but this same side came 2nd last season and had the second best record against top sides in the league
Look at Leicester - sacked their manager and had some real issues there but Brendan Rodgers has them playing some beautiful stuff with players he inherited rather than what he bought. And they’re doing better against bigger sides than us. They don’t have fans like you suddenly giving out hall passes when up against decent sides.
I do love how people keep going on about how unlucky he is to inherit this squad. As if he didn’t get the job solely because he managed to get this same bunch of players winning games. But when he went on a crazy run of losses - and I’m sorry but no United manager should ever lose 7 times in 9 games and not have some serious questions asked about him.
A question fellow United fans seem keen to avoid answering is this - if Ole hasn’t been given the job yet and he’d suffered this shocking run of form, would many United supporters want him to be given the job. I’ve asked countless people this over social
Media and other football websites and almost to a man they’ve said they’d have waited to give him the job and would have interviewed other candidates first.
This site has a collection of fans who are desperate to out-virtue signal the others in a rush to be annointed ‘bestest fan’ - I used to be that guy but upon opening my horizons I realised that maybe the world isn’t as black and white as the likes of Berbaking will have you believe
posted on 11/5/19
Interesting.
I provide context for the dip in form and performances and you’re accusing me of seeing things in black and white, whereas you’re outright claiming Ole isn’t good enough before he’s even signed a player and are what exactly? Balanced and enlightened?
Reserving judgement until the manager has actually had chance to make some signings isn’t hardly some act of devout blind faith.
posted on 11/5/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 14 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Trojan21 (U13278)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 28 minutes ago
It's definitely excellent news.
There has been a lot of talk amongst people at and around the club since he's been back about how much the man, his knowledge and expertise, and his achievements and experience are respected.
Apparently everybody at OT and Carrington loves him, and the combination of the gravitas he carries and his approachability and time for everyone at the club makes a real difference day to day.
He could be key not only in developing players, but also in persuading the right new faces to join and the right existing players to stay.
Between Phelan, Ole and Carrick, we now have key members of our coaching staff who spent something like 35 years working with Fergie. That's gold IMO.
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Never understood why Utd fans think working with Fergie somehow makes a difference to the ability they will have as a coach/manager.
Giggs worked with Fergie for years can't coach
G Nev worked with Fergie for years can't coach
P Nev worked with Fergie for years can't coach
Scholes worked with Fergie for years can't coach
Ole worked with Fergie for years can't coach
Hughes worked with Fergie for years can't coach
Bruce worked with Fergie for years can't coach
McLeish worked with Fergie for years can't coach
And so on….
Now some of these guys had a bit of success here and there but all have proven they are not in the elite of management, you should be looking for elite managers not painfully average ones from Molde.
Being coach by the elite doesn’t make you an elite coach, being an elite player doesn’t make you an elite coach.
Additionally some of the recommendations he's made since he retired perhaps demonstrate that maybe his thoughts on some things should be taken respectfully but dutifully ignored.
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Not sure if your post was a WUM attempt or not, but for a start, I'd completely disagree that none of the managers you've listed above can coach.
Four are starting out in their careers, and it'd be a very basic mistake to judge particularly Giggs or Phil Neville yet. I'd like to hear your argument that Phil Neville, who has an excellent record with the Lionesses, can't coach. Can you present your evidence there, please?
Ole can't coach? He has during his short reign over United the third best record in the Premier League, and navigated us past PSG in the CL and Arsenal and Chelsea in the FA Cup. At Molde he achieved more than any coach in the club's history.
Steve Bruce has promoted four Championship sides to the PL. He took Hull to the FA Cup final, Birmingham to a 10th place finish in the PL, kept Wigan up against all the odds and led them to a 11th place PL finish. He's left just about every club he's coached in a better position than the one it was in when he arrived.
Hughes broke records managing Wales. He was appointed at Blackburn to keep them up and steered them to sixth and seventh place finishes, an FA Cup semi final for the first time in 60 years, and qualified for the UEFA Cup. He completely turned the club around. He took over a desperate Fulham side and qualified for the Europa League before quitting to join a QPR side in the relegation zone at Christmas which he steered to safety.
Stoke he took to ninth in the PL, their highest league finish in 40 years. He did the same the following season. And the same again the following season. When he took over at Southampton, Pellegrino had them in dire straits; and again Hughes steered a side everyone had as nailed-on relegation candidates to safety.
The idea that any of Solksjaer, Bruce and Hughes "can't coach" is laughable.
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Superb post, was about to post something similar.
Also Gary at Valencia wasn't given the time to implement his ideology
posted on 11/5/19
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 12 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 30 minutes ago
I would love to be proven wrong. But he’s having a shocking time right now which isn’t contrarian at all to look at and think we got the wrong guy
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You spent the guts of a season defending the absolute disaster that was moyes... And 2 years to see it with Jose
But now a fast judgement on Ole
We all know why... Let's not pretend it's anything other than you being you
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That doesn’t make any sense from a psychological perspective though - more just a throw away insult which carries to significance whatsoever
Here’s how it is my Irish friend
1) I supported Moyes through thick and thin because he was the first new manager I’ve known after SAF- I naively followed SAFs ‘support him’ thing more than I should have. I have accepted many times I was wrong regarding him
2) With Jose I felt we finally had the top manager we’d been waiting for since SAF left and his record bought him plenty of faith as literally the year before he joined he won the league. I will never apologise for supporting a guy like Jose who Ole would love to achieve even a 20th of his success - and I’ve repeatedly said Jose deserved to be sacked - though now it’s becoming clear it wasn’t all a one way streeet with him, there are more issues at the club that caused him to fail than just him
3) With Ole my doubt for the guy is simply based on his poor record at Cardiff and his lack of any high profile success at a time when I feel we need to send a message we are still a massive club rather than one who is going into a hibernation mode with ex Cardiff managers and very risky signings in the guy from Swansea (you say £15 million isn’t a risk but if he’s been bought to start games straight away he’s a risk)
If I’m wrong I’m wrong but I just feel that being called contrarian because I don’t rate Ole at all is mental
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Oh fack off with your agenda mate.
It has got the point of calling James a risky signing (an inexpensive, exciting, homegrown player) solely because Ole happens to be the manager.
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This is the same guy that wanted Nick Powell to start games.
Once people understand his MO, it is easy to see that he is a waste of space
posted on 11/5/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 12 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 30 minutes ago
I would love to be proven wrong. But he’s having a shocking time right now which isn’t contrarian at all to look at and think we got the wrong guy
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You spent the guts of a season defending the absolute disaster that was moyes... And 2 years to see it with Jose
But now a fast judgement on Ole
We all know why... Let's not pretend it's anything other than you being you
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That doesn’t make any sense from a psychological perspective though - more just a throw away insult which carries to significance whatsoever
Here’s how it is my Irish friend
1) I supported Moyes through thick and thin because he was the first new manager I’ve known after SAF- I naively followed SAFs ‘support him’ thing more than I should have. I have accepted many times I was wrong regarding him
2) With Jose I felt we finally had the top manager we’d been waiting for since SAF left and his record bought him plenty of faith as literally the year before he joined he won the league. I will never apologise for supporting a guy like Jose who Ole would love to achieve even a 20th of his success - and I’ve repeatedly said Jose deserved to be sacked - though now it’s becoming clear it wasn’t all a one way streeet with him, there are more issues at the club that caused him to fail than just him
3) With Ole my doubt for the guy is simply based on his poor record at Cardiff and his lack of any high profile success at a time when I feel we need to send a message we are still a massive club rather than one who is going into a hibernation mode with ex Cardiff managers and very risky signings in the guy from Swansea (you say £15 million isn’t a risk but if he’s been bought to start games straight away he’s a risk)
If I’m wrong I’m wrong but I just feel that being called contrarian because I don’t rate Ole at all is mental
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Blah blah blah.... Load of waffle
You didn't "support" the manager with Moyes or Jose
You blindly defended them, obsessively arguing every perceived criticism.
You were out to get lvg from the start... Because nobody liked Moyes like you did and you were ultimately made look like a plum when everyone else was proved right
And now you're out for Ole for much the same reason
I don't know why you bother... Sure football fan first, United second... If united lose it doesn't affect or ruin your day etc etc... It's not like you care that much
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😹 I just see the world for how it really is. As said earlier, you guys live in an echo chamber. I talk to fans of every club, old and young. And their opinion holds more weight than people who are in a position where they have to believe rather than have a choice.
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More pretentious waffle
If you see the world how it really is... Why are you wrong about almost everything.
"echo chamber" must be your new buzz phrase... And if you have so much disdain for this site and its members... Why spend most of your time here trying to shout loudest and most often pushing your agendas
Where do you find the time to talk to so many fans of so many clubs... You camp on here all day ffs, what a busy life you must have ... Do you bore them with how they should support their club and feel about their rivals too
Attention seeker... Always have been always will be
posted on 11/5/19
Robb, you may recall that I've often spoken up for you over the years when many other posters had their pitchforks out. It gives me no pleasure to criticise you now. But you're the one who is calling an outcome based on insufficient evidence. The vast majority of people supporting Solskjaer are simply giving him the benefit of the doubt based on the fact that it's too early to judge his performance and that many factors over his first five months (the composition of the squad, their fitness levels, injuries) have been beyond his control. By contrast, you once again decided to call the outcome at the outset and have predictably exhibited bias confirmation at pretty much every turn since. Your advocacy in around January that OGS should get the job "even if he's not the best candidate" came across like a strategic positioning statement.
My issue isn't that you're wrong. Solskjaer may well fail as badly as the others. My issue is that I'm no longer entirely confident that you argue in good faith.