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Guardiola

First of all what a manager.

To come to the PL and set the 2 highest points records is a huge achievement.

People bring up the money advantage that City have that’s a lazy answer. If it was that simple Pellegrini would have dominated also and he certainly didn’t. Hell if it was that simple United would comfortably the 2nd best side in the country.

The only thing you can knock Pep with is that he’s never taken a lesser club. He’s made big decisions yes. Ronaldinho, Etoo, Ibra, Hart etc. that have worked but he’s never really built a team like Klopp, Simeone etc. has.

He’s improved plenty of players but the majority of his key men at all 3 clubs were there when he arrived. He finds a way to get the best from them in a sensational way though.

What I would love to see some day is him take on a job at a slightly lesser club and see how far he can take them. I don’t mean a relegation battler but say maybe an Arsenal, Valencia, Inter, AC Milan kind of a role where he won’t inherit a squad of top players or have huge funds to spend.

I can’t see it happening though and he’s already being linked to Juve.

I don’t see it happening in the near future but who would be surprised if he goes there and dominates the Italian league for a few years.

comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)

posted on 21/5/19

comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club. Barca and their achievements are well above BM and he left Barca to try and improve BM. Similarly at the time he left BM's achievements were above City and their achievements.
By man management of the players and judicial transfer dealing did he Improve those 2 clubs?Definitely not maybe.
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Bayern Munich just won a treble the season before Pep took over
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So you think BH is a better or worse club than Barca?

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 21/5/19

comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club. Barca and their achievements are well above BM and he left Barca to try and improve BM. Similarly at the time he left BM's achievements were above City and their achievements.
By man management of the players and judicial transfer dealing did he Improve those 2 clubs?Definitely not maybe.
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Bayern Munich just won a treble the season before Pep took over
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How many times did Bayern win the treble before and after Pep?

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 21/5/19

comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Pep will probably go down as the greatest of all time. I think he will eventually win the CL with City most likely along with other trophies, perhaps a quadruple.

I don't think we've heard the last of all this FFP situation. Whether you agree with the rules or not, they are there and it looks like they are repeatedly being broken by City. It shouldn't have a reflection on Pep's legacy but it might.
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We did not repeatedly broke FFP.
The case being reviewed relates to the same 2013 season for which we have already been punised.

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 21/5/19

comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 9 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Fourmidable’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Don't get the 'chequebook manager' jibe.

Sane and Bernardo must have doubled in value under his guidance.

Zinchenko cost £1.5m, Foden cost nothing.
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Its a jibe used by supporters of clubs nearer mid table in points than they are to City. Pathetic really.
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No. The cheque manager is earned when you spend £50m in each of the back four positions. Buy an expensive goalkeeper and then replace him immediately next season. You also have a bench valued at more than most teams.

So the comment is well deserved. However, saying that Guardiola is still a quality manager. For me he is the difference between great and elite. His style of play can't be replicated with poor players but neither can managers copy it. Unique position.
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Look at it this way:
For one Pogba and Lukaku, you can get Ederson, Laporte, Walker & Stones.

Its called smart investment.

comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)

posted on 21/5/19

Think Pep was brought into BH to refresh their thinking which is why they started to do global searches for young players. Think the Sane approach is a backlash from Der Spiegel and others about German players being overlooked. However BH have also suffered from other German clubs not wanting to sell to them and make them stronger, something that happens in the prem except funnily enough Arsenal seem quite happy to do this or run down contracts.

posted on 21/5/19

Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club.
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Are you kidding?

comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)

posted on 21/5/19

Ok Ed what would your pecking order be of the 3 clubs mentioned?

posted on 21/5/19

Pep reminds me of Wenger when he first arrived, simply way ahead of his peers but not well understood by the environment and culture in which he would work in.

Remember Neville banged on about how small technical players wouldn't make it in the domestic game. His methods are also difficult to replicate especially without good players

Obviously Pep is way better than Wenger but that single mindedness to do things their own way.Klopp is another but the difference between Klopp and Pep is the winning mentality.I just feel Pep demands more and subsequently gets more.Obviously Peps methods are not as sustainable as Klopps but like Fergie Klopp wont win as many trophies as Pep, or Mourinho, thats just obvious

Klopp is willing to grow teams organically the same way Wenger did.

posted on 21/5/19

Why does the pecking order matter? They aren’t lower clubs.

Not that Pep should take a lower club, he’s proven himself at the elite level.

It’s actually incredible the consistency his teams have. At all of Barca, Bayern and City he’s had his teams post totals in the 90’s or close to (and it’s equivalent in Germany) in all but his first season at City.

It’s just ridiculous the level he gets his team playing at.

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 21/5/19

comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Pep reminds me of Wenger when he first arrived, simply way ahead of his peers but not well understood by the environment and culture in which he would work in.

Remember Neville banged on about how small technical players wouldn't make it in the domestic game. His methods are also difficult to replicate especially without good players

Obviously Pep is way better than Wenger but that single mindedness to do things their own way.Klopp is another but the difference between Klopp and Pep is the winning mentality.I just feel Pep demands more and subsequently gets more.Obviously Peps methods are not as sustainable as Klopps but like Fergie Klopp wont win as many trophies as Pep, or Mourinho, thats just obvious

Klopp is willing to grow teams organically the same way Wenger did.


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How does Klopp grow teams organically?

By spending world record fees on a defender and goalkeeper?

How many of Liverpool's starting 11 came through the academy?

Klopp did what any reasonable manager would do - get rid of dead wood and invest in the playing squad. It's not rocket science.

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