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Tebas: Kick City/PSG out

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7053629/La-Liga-president-Javier-Tebas-slams-Manchester-City-distorting-transfer-market.html

My thoughts on this, I think Tebas is spot on. His motivations for saying this might be questionable, I've heard stories of Real Madrid being funded by the state or governor or something, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a point. Truth is Chelsea, City and PSG should never have been allowed to operate like they did.

People say football is a business but no business would allow damaging influences to fester within it in the name of business. Football(and other sports too) is unique and business can't be just business in all aspects and angles.

I would estimate the sheikhs have spent over 10 times the initial net value of MCFC when they bought the club. If that was a business then the competition would be finished and unable to keep pace.

Its therefore amazing that some clubs are managing to keep up while doing things the right way, but still, City have swept the domestic trophies and won the league twice in a row now, so its the same as a business to a decent extent.

The competition is struggling badly and having to play outta their skin to keep up. Liverpool running City close this season is a bit deceitful and masking the massive gap. Credit to Liverpool of course but last season was a more accurate reflection of where the league is at.

As if that wasn't enough they have also needed to cheat and make a mockery of the rules, rules that were to intended to control the damage they would inevitably cause, give them a smooth entry and avoid a shock effect caused by the influx of oil money.

FFP should have been their darling as it would have quietened the dissenting voices, but they went and spat in it's face. FFP would not have stopped City anyway, should have just respected it.

I don't think anyone wants to see a team kicked out of any competition or a points deduction, so they shouldn't be worried about that happening. They are now well established and decent revenue, which we hope is entirely legitimate, so they should be able to follow the rules going forward. Oil money is still dangerous.

As for Liverpool, we need and can easily afford to spend upwards of 100m this summer in order to continue to challenge. Obviously a CL win would be huge. Tough game against a very deserving Spurs side but too bad they are facing us, otherwise I would have backed them. Hope we smash them.

Follow that up with a league win(still not likely I know, and getting ahead of myself) but we would be more than keeping pace with doped up City while doing things in an organic manner.

Credit to Klopp and all the staff at Liverpool and roll on the beautiful game. Regardless of what happens I can see us challenging for the league again.

Thoughts.

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 22/5/19

comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
You've started out on one topic and ended up on an entirely different one.

Us and next season.

The topic you started on was city and PSG.

My view on this is the following:

Juventus 7 wins and counting?
Bayern 7 wins?
Barca 4 out of last 5 la ligas, And of course add real and the little has been won once in last 10/15 years by someone else
PSg 6/7 titles in last 8 years.. fair play monaco i suppose.

The reality is all the top leagues have been dominated by one or two clubs.

It was Utd, then cheslea, then utd and now city. Over allong long time with just a couple of arsneal seasons in there.

the RICH dominate. So FFP is not about oil money. Its actually about the rich staying rich. FFP IN THEORY should prevent a wolves, in theory. but it doesn't.

What's happening at wolves with chinese owners but a certain agent all over it funnelling his players in and taking out fees is corrupt imo. Others may not agree.

City have a very special set of circumstances where sponsorship deals magically appear through no effort on the part of the club to circumvent the rules.

LFC have worked for now 9 years to build up from where we were at after G&H were turfed out by the banks. 9 years... to build a sustainable revenue stream to support our team. where we built a stand off admittedly a very low interest loan form owners but have paid that back openly and its all there in black and white.

We then get wums throwing we are just as bad as city in our faces.

City have indeed made a mockery of the rules and as such should be punished.

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Sponsorship from the UAE accounts for less than 10% of our revenue.

Maybe you can go ask all the other non UAE sponsors about their deals with City.
Don't know which club you support but I can bet if we dig up a little bit into you club's sponsorship deals, some can be traced to your owners as well.

If you hire smart people, they usually deliver. City hired smart people to run the club and hence, they are delivering.

posted on 22/5/19

comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
You've started out on one topic and ended up on an entirely different one.

Us and next season.

The topic you started on was city and PSG.

My view on this is the following:

Juventus 7 wins and counting?
Bayern 7 wins?
Barca 4 out of last 5 la ligas, And of course add real and the little has been won once in last 10/15 years by someone else
PSg 6/7 titles in last 8 years.. fair play monaco i suppose.

The reality is all the top leagues have been dominated by one or two clubs.

It was Utd, then cheslea, then utd and now city. Over allong long time with just a couple of arsneal seasons in there.

the RICH dominate. So FFP is not about oil money. Its actually about the rich staying rich. FFP IN THEORY should prevent a wolves, in theory. but it doesn't.

What's happening at wolves with chinese owners but a certain agent all over it funnelling his players in and taking out fees is corrupt imo. Others may not agree.

City have a very special set of circumstances where sponsorship deals magically appear through no effort on the part of the club to circumvent the rules.

LFC have worked for now 9 years to build up from where we were at after G&H were turfed out by the banks. 9 years... to build a sustainable revenue stream to support our team. where we built a stand off admittedly a very low interest loan form owners but have paid that back openly and its all there in black and white.

We then get wums throwing we are just as bad as city in our faces.

City have indeed made a mockery of the rules and as such should be punished.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsorship from the UAE accounts for less than 10% of our revenue.

Maybe you can go ask all the other non UAE sponsors about their deals with City.
Don't know which club you support but I can bet if we dig up a little bit into you club's sponsorship deals, some can be traced to your owners as well.

If you hire smart people, they usually deliver. City hired smart people to run the club and hence, they are delivering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, they were that smart, they now face being excluded from world footballs premier club competition.
Very clever indeed.

posted on 22/5/19

Couldnt give a fack about the Spanish clubs crying that now they cant compete and tap up the best players alone. Now teams are bending them over and shafting them whilst PSG are signing their top stars and PSG and City can buy who they want because money talks.

Honestly as unfair as it may be at times they were not the first and wont be the last and if theres some joy to take out of them its for moments like this . Bit funny the corrupt UEFA complaining about and investigating corruption too.

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 22/5/19

comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
You've started out on one topic and ended up on an entirely different one.

Us and next season.

The topic you started on was city and PSG.

My view on this is the following:

Juventus 7 wins and counting?
Bayern 7 wins?
Barca 4 out of last 5 la ligas, And of course add real and the little has been won once in last 10/15 years by someone else
PSg 6/7 titles in last 8 years.. fair play monaco i suppose.

The reality is all the top leagues have been dominated by one or two clubs.

It was Utd, then cheslea, then utd and now city. Over allong long time with just a couple of arsneal seasons in there.

the RICH dominate. So FFP is not about oil money. Its actually about the rich staying rich. FFP IN THEORY should prevent a wolves, in theory. but it doesn't.

What's happening at wolves with chinese owners but a certain agent all over it funnelling his players in and taking out fees is corrupt imo. Others may not agree.

City have a very special set of circumstances where sponsorship deals magically appear through no effort on the part of the club to circumvent the rules.

LFC have worked for now 9 years to build up from where we were at after G&H were turfed out by the banks. 9 years... to build a sustainable revenue stream to support our team. where we built a stand off admittedly a very low interest loan form owners but have paid that back openly and its all there in black and white.

We then get wums throwing we are just as bad as city in our faces.

City have indeed made a mockery of the rules and as such should be punished.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsorship from the UAE accounts for less than 10% of our revenue.

Maybe you can go ask all the other non UAE sponsors about their deals with City.
Don't know which club you support but I can bet if we dig up a little bit into you club's sponsorship deals, some can be traced to your owners as well.

If you hire smart people, they usually deliver. City hired smart people to run the club and hence, they are delivering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, they were that smart, they now face being excluded from world footballs premier club competition.
Very clever indeed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, lets pray and hope Liverpool's emails are hacked and revealed next.
Then at least we will all get to see how pure Liverpool are.
Remember the explanation your club gave UEFA after you failed FFP in 2014? It may not be over yet you know.

posted on 22/5/19

comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
You've started out on one topic and ended up on an entirely different one.

Us and next season.

The topic you started on was city and PSG.

My view on this is the following:

Juventus 7 wins and counting?
Bayern 7 wins?
Barca 4 out of last 5 la ligas, And of course add real and the little has been won once in last 10/15 years by someone else
PSg 6/7 titles in last 8 years.. fair play monaco i suppose.

The reality is all the top leagues have been dominated by one or two clubs.

It was Utd, then cheslea, then utd and now city. Over allong long time with just a couple of arsneal seasons in there.

the RICH dominate. So FFP is not about oil money. Its actually about the rich staying rich. FFP IN THEORY should prevent a wolves, in theory. but it doesn't.

What's happening at wolves with chinese owners but a certain agent all over it funnelling his players in and taking out fees is corrupt imo. Others may not agree.

City have a very special set of circumstances where sponsorship deals magically appear through no effort on the part of the club to circumvent the rules.

LFC have worked for now 9 years to build up from where we were at after G&H were turfed out by the banks. 9 years... to build a sustainable revenue stream to support our team. where we built a stand off admittedly a very low interest loan form owners but have paid that back openly and its all there in black and white.

We then get wums throwing we are just as bad as city in our faces.

City have indeed made a mockery of the rules and as such should be punished.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsorship from the UAE accounts for less than 10% of our revenue.

Maybe you can go ask all the other non UAE sponsors about their deals with City.
Don't know which club you support but I can bet if we dig up a little bit into you club's sponsorship deals, some can be traced to your owners as well.

If you hire smart people, they usually deliver. City hired smart people to run the club and hence, they are delivering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, they were that smart, they now face being excluded from world footballs premier club competition.
Very clever indeed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, lets pray and hope Liverpool's emails are hacked and revealed next.
Then at least we will all get to see how pure Liverpool are.
Remember the explanation your club gave UEFA after you failed FFP in 2014? It may not be over yet you know.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

posted on 22/5/19

History would suggest otherwise.

Even without these oil clubs we had long periods of domination by certain clubs in lots of countries.

Both Liverpool and Manchester United have had long periods of domination in England, it's fresher for City to have one than United to have another would be my point.

If nobody invests heavily in Italy for example Juventus will strangle the competition for a long time. We need fresh money to invest in the game to stop the biggest clubs dominating.
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One huge problem is that its not a true sport if one team has to work for 9 years (like Liverpool) and another team can just be state/oil funded and become a better team after a few transfer windows.

While City were flouting FFP, Liverpool were making annual losses thanks the the cowboys. Our new owners are rich enough to have done what City did but they didn't so no excuses there.

In addition to this, the investment argument is moot and a bit funny to me. They could have invested in the area without doping up their club. Are you saying its OK to dope up the club if you improve the surrounding area? Sounds like an excuse to me.

Finally, I understand fans might want to see a different club winning but that's another moot argument.

You can't replace a dominating tea by creating and even more ferocious dominating team. I mean, what are you aiming to accomplish?

If you go to Italy and dope up one team so that they outdo Juventus, the resulting team will be better than Juve (who were already dominating) whereas the rest of the league will remain the same. So you will be in for even more and worse domination.

We are already seeing that. No team has ever won the domestic treble since football began in 1992. City will be confident they can do it again next year.

I honestly think that a lot of fans allow their dislike of Liverpool and United or "the big clubs" to cloud their judgment and convince themselves "well at least they invested".

Investment is great when limited to infrastructure but football is unique and should be protected and change should be controlled IMO.

posted on 22/5/19

Furthermore, Liverpool never "failed" FFP. We had to explain our losses of 50m which was down to writing off stadium debts caused by the cowboys.

Seeing as stadium finances are exempt to FFP, they had to accept our explanation.

At the same time, City were forging sponsorships and taking oil money under the table so its not the same thing.

posted on 22/5/19

comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 4 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
You've started out on one topic and ended up on an entirely different one.

Us and next season.

The topic you started on was city and PSG.

My view on this is the following:

Juventus 7 wins and counting?
Bayern 7 wins?
Barca 4 out of last 5 la ligas, And of course add real and the little has been won once in last 10/15 years by someone else
PSg 6/7 titles in last 8 years.. fair play monaco i suppose.

The reality is all the top leagues have been dominated by one or two clubs.

It was Utd, then cheslea, then utd and now city. Over allong long time with just a couple of arsneal seasons in there.

the RICH dominate. So FFP is not about oil money. Its actually about the rich staying rich. FFP IN THEORY should prevent a wolves, in theory. but it doesn't.

What's happening at wolves with chinese owners but a certain agent all over it funnelling his players in and taking out fees is corrupt imo. Others may not agree.

City have a very special set of circumstances where sponsorship deals magically appear through no effort on the part of the club to circumvent the rules.

LFC have worked for now 9 years to build up from where we were at after G&H were turfed out by the banks. 9 years... to build a sustainable revenue stream to support our team. where we built a stand off admittedly a very low interest loan form owners but have paid that back openly and its all there in black and white.

We then get wums throwing we are just as bad as city in our faces.

City have indeed made a mockery of the rules and as such should be punished.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsorship from the UAE accounts for less than 10% of our revenue.

Maybe you can go ask all the other non UAE sponsors about their deals with City.
Don't know which club you support but I can bet if we dig up a little bit into you club's sponsorship deals, some can be traced to your owners as well.

If you hire smart people, they usually deliver. City hired smart people to run the club and hence, they are delivering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, they were that smart, they now face being excluded from world footballs premier club competition.
Very clever indeed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, lets pray and hope Liverpool's emails are hacked and revealed next.
Then at least we will all get to see how pure Liverpool are.
Remember the explanation your club gave UEFA after you failed FFP in 2014? It may not be over yet you know.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How desperate are you

posted on 23/5/19

he must be quite desperate cos he's just admitted that a data breach in city has revealed they did break the rules and now have to answer for it.

in trying to throw mud he's basically admitted it and says i hope it happens to others too so we can all wallow in it together.

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