It's not often i agree with Owen Jones, but.............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8-XkiQ16BM
Even before i saw this clip i never understood why some were calling for us to have some sympathy for the departing PM.
"But but but, she had an impossible job, left for her by Cameron...."
Fair point but as i've been saying long before she resigned. She sought that Job. She wasn't in the Big Brother House when she became P.M and informed by Emma Willis that she'd been Elected as the new Tory leader and consequently was the P.M and oh by the way Britain had voted to leave the EU.
I think she thought she could be the next Maggie and whatever we think/thought of Maggie, she was a one-off. Which i suppose some would be grateful for.
But going back to that clip, I'm not that keen on Owen Jones because historically i've found him good at blaming people for what has happened but no real suggestions how to fix the problems. But i find it difficult to disagree with his points in that interview.
Sympathy for Theresa May?
posted on 1/6/19
Go on then, why don't you want to be part of the EU?
posted on 1/6/19
I've already said, that's my business.
I've come to understand what it's like dealing with remainers on social media. I give my reasons and don't mention immigration then get called racist and a zenophobe - it's just so predictable.
You want to remain, that's fair enough and I respect that. Just please don't expect me to believe anything I hear on JA606, when the Governor of the Bank of England got his post BREXIT vote forecast wrong and those that told us that note accepting the Euro would be disastrous for us!
posted on 1/6/19
Ok sounds a lot like you haven't got any valid reasons and are for some reason hiding behind a forecast that wasn't as bad as expected? Something like "They said it would be 'really reallly really shiiite' but instead it's just 'really shiiiit' "
Although I thought the forecast was post leave rather than vote but it must be a different one.
posted on 1/6/19
It hasn't been 'really shiiiit' though. Again you are sounding really arrogant.
There have been a whole host of things that are the complete opposite of the forecasts. Beyond the obvious ones like very high levels of employment, things like consumption have shot up since the Brexit vote which is the opposite of what the forecasts have predicted.
The biggest problem that's happened since the Brexit vote is the uncertainty, and that's mainly due to remoaners like yourself failing to accept democracy when it goes against you. Democracy only works when the losing side accepts the path the majority have chosen and until we reach that point we will keep going round in circles
posted on 1/6/19
A democratic vote that was won on lies, paid for by Russia and gave no indication of how its result would be acheived.
The employment figures as proven by a decline in living standards, increase in poverty etc mean little. 1 hour per week counts as "employed" FFS.
There has been some wage growth (however it's long overdue, still miles behind where it should be and we haven't left yet).
Agree the uncertainty is causing problems btw, that is definitely effecting investment and thus hurting the country.
What is really frustrating is while the whole Brexit process has been going on so many crucial policies in need of reform have been kicked down the road.
We have our worst ever government plus Brexit at the same time.
posted on 1/6/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
Ok sounds a lot like you haven't got any valid reasons and are for some reason hiding behind a forecast that wasn't as bad as expected? Something like "They said it would be 'really reallly really shiiite' but instead it's just 'really shiiiit' "
Although I thought the forecast was post leave rather than vote but it must be a different one.
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Luckily I'm in the rather enviable position that I don't care if if I sound like I don't have any valid reasons!
I also find your ' I thought the forecast was post leave rather than vote but it must be a different one', comment rather difficult to believe!
Sounds to me like you're trying to hide behind your own little smokescreen. It's not as if it isn't common knowledge and even just a little investigation will throw up dozens of links to how the Governor of the BoE and Chancellor of the exchequer at the time (Osbourne) got their facts wrong.
https://www.moneywise.co.uk/news/2019-03-06/damage-to-the-economy-no-deal-brexit-would-now-be-less-we-feared-says-bank-england
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/524967/hm_treasury_analysis_the_immediate_economic_impact_of_leaving_the_eu_web.pdf
https://www.politico.eu/article/mark-carney-eats-humble-pie-on-brexit/
https://uk.businessesforsale.com/uk/search/businesses-for-sale/articles/bank-of-englands-chief-economist-admits-errors-in-brexit-forecasts
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/hm-treasury-analysis-on-the-immediate-economic-impact-of-leaving-the-eu-george-osbornes-speech
Still, despite having a degree in Engineering Management and HND in Electrical and Electronic Principles, I'll have to resign myself to how thick I am!
posted on 1/6/19
Nice. So the same person/organisation who in an earlier comment was gleefully pointed out for being wrong is this time being used in a new argument based on him now being right with his revised opinion?
Also it seems to have been revised to slightly less damaging as we've put in some contingency plans (since his first estimate).
The original comment also said post vote rather than post leave, yet the projections were for post leave which hasn't happened yet - hence my response.
posted on 1/6/19
Doesn't change the fact he was originally wrong before the vote, which could have influenced peoples voting!
If that was Boris he'd be in court charged with lying again!
Can't have it both ways!
Anyway, I think we've both made our points, as much as we want to - May peace be with you!
posted on 1/6/19
Oh, and most of that was post vote!
posted on 2/6/19
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