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BoJo way out in front.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48624579

Hard to see him not being next PM.

<shudder>

posted on 13/6/19

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
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comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
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comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
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every moron he led along the way with his nhs brexit schite still can't see that he will be a big part of privatising the nhs, so the same jobless t1ts that followed him around wanting to "take arr kuntry back!" are going to be the same idiots that can't afford healthcare.

well done
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I’m no supporter of BoJo (he’s a feckwit) but the NHS can’t continue to be free at point of use forever. It was a model devised in the 1930s that just isn’t sustainable in today’s era. The country won’t be able to continue to fund free healthcare for a growing and increasingly aging population forever.

Labour knew that and ramped up the privatisation of NHS services in the late 90s.
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Why not? Genuine question. What factors make it impossible for the NHS to continue as a free at the point of entry service into the future?
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We can’t afford it forever. The amount of our tax that goes to the NHS has significantly increased, way beyond the increase in people’s earnings, over the last 30 years. With the increase in population, people living longer and other cost increases - the only way to keep the NHS free at the point of use is to eventually tax people to a point where they have very little disposable income left.

Something has to change, the problem is, how do you take something like that away from a population that’s had it for 70 years?
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You can't. So you have to be creative. You have to find solutions.

You're right that the NHS can't continue as it has. But the NHS can evolve into something better, sleeker and more cost effective. There are a LOT of things that can be done, not least the fact that the GMC are promoting the idea of being 'more than a clinician', encouraging doctors to engage in leadership and management alongside their clinical obligations. The best people to find solutions are the doctors themselves, not non-clinicians who are making decisions based on budgets, as is the case now.

The patient is critical, but it's not dead yet.
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Spot on. There has to be a better way

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posted on 13/6/19

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
have to hand it to them tbh.

"how do we get the lower & middle class people to vote for us"

"blame immigrants for their problems"

Racism. Thats how u get idiots to forget they are voting for people who think they are trash.
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Exactly how Trump got votes. Right populist one liners will get the job done these days.

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 13/6/19

comment by rats juice ma brendin awae tae f@ck (U6393)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
“We’ve been siphoning off all of their oil underneath their drink sodden noses for 30 years without them noticing. And even when they did find out they still voted to stay in our “1707 paper political” Union...We could turn Loch Lomond into a sewage facility and clear the Highlands again and they’d still want to keep hold of our coat-tails.”

Boris Johnson, in a speech to the 1922 Committee, June 2019









Allegedly
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https://www.thenational.scot/news/17699316.we-need-to-tax-the-grievance-monkey-unwashed-jocks-until-they-squeak/

posted on 13/6/19

comment by Fake Dutch Hulk (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by rats juice ma brendin awae tae f@ck(U6393)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
“We’ve been siphoning off all of their oil underneath their drink sodden noses for 30 years without them noticing. And even when they did find out they still voted to stay in our “1707 paper political” Union...We could turn Loch Lomond into a sewage facility and clear the Highlands again and they’d still want to keep hold of our coat-tails.”

Boris Johnson, in a speech to the 1922 Committee, June 2019









Allegedly
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https://www.thenational.scot/news/17699316.we-need-to-tax-the-grievance-monkey-unwashed-jocks-until-they-squeak/
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If he ever said this I would vote for him hands down

posted on 13/6/19

comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Schrödinger (U9373)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 16 minutes ago

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 4 minutes ago
every moron he led along the way with his nhs brexit schite still can't see that he will be a big part of privatising the nhs, so the same jobless t1ts that followed him around wanting to "take arr kuntry back!" are going to be the same idiots that can't afford healthcare.

well done
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I’m no supporter of BoJo (he’s a feckwit) but the NHS can’t continue to be free at point of use forever. It was a model devised in the 1930s that just isn’t sustainable in today’s era. The country won’t be able to continue to fund free healthcare for a growing and increasingly aging population forever.

Labour knew that and ramped up the privatisation of NHS services in the late 90s.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Why not? Genuine question. What factors make it impossible for the NHS to continue as a free at the point of entry service into the future?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We can’t afford it forever. The amount of our tax that goes to the NHS has significantly increased, way beyond the increase in people’s earnings, over the last 30 years. With the increase in population, people living longer and other cost increases - the only way to keep the NHS free at the point of use is to eventually tax people to a point where they have very little disposable income left.

Something has to change, the problem is, how do you take something like that away from a population that’s had it for 70 years?

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Fairy stories.

The US spends more than twice per capita on healthcare than we do. There is no evidence that it is anymore effective but it is more costly.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cost-of-healthcare-countries-ranked-2019-3xcept that the US spends

Even then, 500k US people are affected by healthcare related bankruptcy every year. All we need is for the NHS to be properly funded.


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This is a totally skewed comparison. The reason the US spends way more than we do on healthcare is because they are getting the money to do so from private medical insurance (mainly provided through employers) and patients having to cough up themselves. It’s not surprising they spend way more on healthcare. Where are the UK going to get the additional funding from?!
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Correct the US medical system also massively overpays in terms of research and development.

Its a bit like with the military, we benefit from their spending, same applies to medicine.

posted on 13/6/19

Let’s be honest politics is dull
Politicians are boring

Nothing much ever changes

Might as well have boris and be entertained

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