Thoughts

comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago

Hard to argue with his point and I do see Ole falling into this trap every time he speaks. It’s always honouring the past and getting back to what he believes United ought to be.

Now look, it may prove to be a successful formula. Only time will tell. But I do believe it will act more like a ball and chain on the club.

It’s also hard to shake off a philosophy that garnered so much success. It’s the greatest period in the clubs history. Why would your fans want to change? It’s a question you’ll all have to ask yourself.

I personally believe it’s down to the personnel as opposed to a club led philosophy. Take Jurgen Klopp for example. People could try and replicate his ideas but I don’t think it’s possible. It’s the man himself that’s important.

Ole needs to start thinking of himself as a man dictating the future as opposed to a man honouring the old days.

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Well put and this is how I feel. Clubs need to adapt and change, we cannot get stuck in the past. City are leaving us behind on and off the field at this moment in time.

Disagree completely.

The “philosophy” or “culture” actually represent a modus operandi, a blueprint with repeatable, repeated, distinct and very recognizable characteristics which successfully delivered for extended periods under two management regimes.

Forget the sentimentality for a minute. If we hadn’t moved so far away from the blueprint, we wouldn’t be in the mire we’re in now.

Giggs / Metro, any evidence that he isn't doing this? I'd be amazed if what he takes from Fergie's time isn't more than a set of quite basic principles (attacking, hard-working, togetherness, etc.) and some tips about leadership.

Does he actually define for the reader what he thinks United's culture and philosophy are, and then go on to explain why they are no longer relevant?

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Not at all.

comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago


Does he actually define for the reader what he thinks United's culture and philosophy are, and then go on to explain why they are no longer relevant?

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Not at all.
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This^

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
Giggs / Metro, any evidence that he isn't doing this? I'd be amazed if what he takes from Fergie's time isn't more than a set of quite basic principles (attacking, hard-working, togetherness, etc.) and some tips about leadership.
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Not so much evidence. But on the balance of what I see and hear, he seems to be a man keen to cast his glance back at what “was good” as opposed to what “could be good”.

comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
Giggs / Metro, any evidence that he isn't doing this? I'd be amazed if what he takes from Fergie's time isn't more than a set of quite basic principles (attacking, hard-working, togetherness, etc.) and some tips about leadership.
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Not so much evidence. But on the balance of what I see and hear, he seems to be a man keen to cast his glance back at what “was good” as opposed to what “could be good”.
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But how much have you seen and heard about emulating the past that applies to specifics such as training routines, formations and tactics? What I've heard seems to be much more generalised, in terms of culture, energy and attacking intent.

His football philosophy is shaped by fergie's influence
Its stands to reason he is going to reference him when hes asked about his plans moving forward

If you win, talking about the past is used as inspiration, if you lose the past is a burden...

“Imagine Bryan Robson’s reaction to that tangled bed linen.”

I’d imagine he and most of the first team would have been too p*ssed to notice

I don't think people should underestimate "the United Way" and how we, as supporters, would like us to play. But success invariably leads to romanticism. Trying to repeat the past, in a different era, isn't guaranteed to be successful.

However, what Ed's latest brainwave seems to be, is just to bring guys from the past into positions of leadership, in the hope of fooling fans into expecting the same as the past. Bringing unqualified people into positions of power is crazy. Who was our best leader and captain in the last 30 years? Robson. Second best? Keane. How'd they do in management? The thought of Rio, Fletch and Butt as a three man technical leadership, with Ole at the wheel is terrifying. Because it makes no sense, and is an embarrassment beyond anything Ed has already done imo