Pogba

Scrap that last comment. I don't think he could do it in the same match.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 16 seconds ago
But he loses marks in your opinion because of the haaland incident

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The only issue I had with that is that he should have kept quiet about it.

I would have nobbled Haaland as well. The difference being it would have been in the same match, not months later.
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Wasnt that revenge for what haaland said to him when his cruciate went in that Leeds game a couple of years previously ? but you are right he should have kept schtum about it.

Yeah, Haaland thought he was faking it.
Keano and Fake don’t go together, so Haaland was marked from that day, and so he should be.
However, Keano’s tackle was all kinds of nasty..
I wouldn’t have wished that on Haaland.
But just a ‘let him know, I’m here and haven’t forgot’ kinda tackle, but no, Keane went all DEFCON 1 on his ass!!
Then says yeah, he meant it... not good Roy, not good...

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 46 minutes ago
Maybe the poster who used the term "ultimate professional" has a different criteria for using the label than you do. Maybe he recognises and understands that history is littered with great midfield players who had a dark side to their game and knew how to look after themselves and maybe he understands that players falling out with or disagreeing with manager's is something that can happen.
Keane may not be worthy of the term in your eyes but compared to the w@nker named at the head of this article and some of his teammates he's on another level of professionalism.
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He was a better and more influential player than the three combined, but I wouldn’t put Keane in the same league of professionalism as Mata, Valencia or Smalling, let alone the likes of Giggs, Bruce, Law, Charlton, Buchan, Byrne or even Robson, despite his flaws.
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"He was a magnificent player - both technically and in his commitment on and off the field"

The above are your words rosso

But he loses marks in your opinion because of the haaland incident and the fergie fall out which is pretty harsh in light of all he gave to the club

Your entitled to your opinion but I would wager it's not shared by many of his ex team mates or opponents or deep down even fergie himself
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I’m not marking him. I’m not judging his holistic value as a player, or his importance to the club or the sides he played in.

Again, I am pointing out - very specifically, and I don’t know how to say this any more clearly - that he was not a model professional.

And I’m not just referring to two incidents. I’m talking about his wider behaviour as a professional footballer, which was often very, very poor.

He was banned for stamping, he criticized his manager in front of his teammates, he criticized his club’s fans, he publicly criticized his teammates, he punched a teammate in the face, he turned up late for coaches (in one case very famously), he criticized referees, he walked out of a training camp, and more; most generally, he let his temper get the better of him on and off the field, which is the epitome of unprofessionalism.

Or was it cos, Keane tried to foul Haaland but came off worse, and that was Haaland saying ‘Good, if you had stayed clean none of this would’ve happened, but you had to be Roy..’
Well, right or wrong, Keane wasn’t gonna take that, and maybe Haaland thought, well I ain’t got nothing to lose cos this guys a head case and started to run his mouth...

comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 46 minutes ago
Maybe the poster who used the term "ultimate professional" has a different criteria for using the label than you do. Maybe he recognises and understands that history is littered with great midfield players who had a dark side to their game and knew how to look after themselves and maybe he understands that players falling out with or disagreeing with manager's is something that can happen.
Keane may not be worthy of the term in your eyes but compared to the w@nker named at the head of this article and some of his teammates he's on another level of professionalism.
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He was a better and more influential player than the three combined, but I wouldn’t put Keane in the same league of professionalism as Mata, Valencia or Smalling, let alone the likes of Giggs, Bruce, Law, Charlton, Buchan, Byrne or even Robson, despite his flaws.
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"He was a magnificent player - both technically and in his commitment on and off the field"

The above are your words rosso

But he loses marks in your opinion because of the haaland incident and the fergie fall out which is pretty harsh in light of all he gave to the club

Your entitled to your opinion but I would wager it's not shared by many of his ex team mates or opponents or deep down even fergie himself
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I’m not marking him. I’m not judging his holistic value as a player, or his importance to the club or the sides he played in.

Again, I am pointing out - very specifically, and I don’t know how to say this any more clearly - that he was not a model professional.

And I’m not just referring to two incidents. I’m talking about his wider behaviour as a professional footballer, which was often very, very poor.

He was banned for stamping, he criticized his manager in front of his teammates, he criticized his club’s fans, he publicly criticized his teammates, he punched a teammate in the face, he turned up late for coaches (in one case very famously), he criticized referees, he walked out of a training camp, and more; most generally, he let his temper get the better of him on and off the field, which is the epitome of unprofessionalism.
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Aye, but at least he didn’t use social media.

Oh man if Keano was using twitter when he was playing, his career would've been cut short..
you imagine the spats, every week being called into the FA to explain..
‘So Roy, could you explain what you meant by, ‘you damn right I tried to break your leg Alfie, you get!’..
and also, explain...
‘Feck off Mick, you rubbish coont, i meant what i said you little fecker’

He was a flawed human no doubt in a sport littered with them. A physical player that lived on the edge with his temper and picked up his share of red cards
He was made CAPTAIN of his club and his country and demanded PROFESSIONAL standards in both areas which eventually cost him his job at utd

Totally committed on and off the pitch ( again your words) and as his career progressed he adapted a new diet and gave up alcohol

Not a model pro by your standards rosso but I wouldn't hesitate in holding him up for any young player to learn from

Well, we differ on that point. I’d hold him up as a player who could’ve achieved more in his career if he’d acted more professionally.

I’ve seen young players fail to progress because they couldn’t deal with their tempers or authority. Keane got away with both because he was a special player.

comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 11 hours, 39 minutes ago
Well, we differ on that point. I’d hold him up as a player who could’ve achieved more in his career if he’d acted more professionally.

I’ve seen young players fail to progress because they couldn’t deal with their tempers or authority. Keane got away with both because he was a special player.
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I would say it was Keane's sense of professionalism alongside his talent that actually helped him control his temper just enough to achieve what he did and when also taking in to account his injury issues I dont think he could have done or achieved much more in his career.
He could so easily have been one of those kids you alluded to, footballers we've all known , who because of mentality issues failed to progress and make the most of their talent.

As I already pointed out Keane did make lifestyle changes as he matured to try improve himself both professionally and personally.

There's arguably as much ,if not more ,evidence in his playing career that validates his professionalism than would deny it.

As someone mentioned earlier ,and I would
concur , that Keanes legacy is tainted because of his fall out with fergie. This has resulted in a section of utd fans who, in my opinion,are quick to disparage him.