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Sean Longstaff

The Guardian are saying we're on the verge of signing him - https://twitter.com/LaPiochey/status/1149351034067869696

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 12/7/19

comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 10 minutes ago

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why Would’nt he be on the same money?

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In short sentences:

1) Rosso didn't make any claim about how much he'd earn.
2) You did.
3) Rosso doesn't need evidence to support a hypothetical.
4) You need evidence to support a claim.
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In short I suggested he’d be on the same money as AWB.

Rosso suggested he’d be on 50k.
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You're a special kind of special.

I doubt very much that he would command the same wage as AWN anyway.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 12/7/19

comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 8 minutes ago
Why Would’nt he be on the same money?

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In short sentences:

1) Rosso didn't make any claim about how much he'd earn.
2) You did.
3) Rosso doesn't need evidence to support a hypothetical.
4) You need evidence to support a claim.
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In short I suggested he’d be on the same money as AWB.

Rosso suggested he’d be on 50k.
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Oh ffs
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"When you're digging a deep hole and then hit a watermain, just keep digging"

-KLS' family motto

posted on 12/7/19

I wouldn't be too concerned about how many games he has started for Newcastle simply because he would have played more had he not been injured.

If he's been scouted properly then that's that really.

For £50m in that position then it would not surprise me if Utd had a look at Declan Rice who is very good at recycling possession.

Apparently, and I don't know this, Longstaff has a good range of passing. If Ole is trying to set up the way he said he wanted that would be important tactically if he does have that in his locker.

Money is general is becoming moot really in terms of football transfers. If Longstaff costs £50m but he allows a tactical shift and implementation that works then it's small change over the course of his contract.

posted on 12/7/19

Here's a question:

How does £50 million for Longstaff in today's market compare with £45 million for Martial in 2015's market? (At the time the Martial deal was cited as £36m potentially rising to £58m - from my reading only one of the three performance-related clauses were activated, bringing the final fee to £45.)

Factor in inflation and Longstaff is probably a bit cheaper. Obviously Martial had more of a break-out season than Longstaff, but was certainly not a dead certain to make it in England. If we structured the deal along the lines of the last £25m of the £50m being dependent on hitting X appearances for United and Y for the national side and playing in the CL knock-out stages, that would insulate against risks. I reckon something along these lines could be justified IF we've scouted him rigorously and are convinced he's the player (in terms of ability, fitness and character) to take us forward.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 12/7/19

comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 18 minutes ago

I wouldn't be too concerned about how many games he has started for Newcastle simply because he would have played more had he not been injured.

If he's been scouted properly then that's that really.

For £50m in that position then it would not surprise me if Utd had a look at Declan Rice who is very good at recycling possession.

Apparently, and I don't know this, Longstaff has a good range of passing. If Ole is trying to set up the way he said he wanted that would be important tactically if he does have that in his locker.

Money is general is becoming moot really in terms of football transfers. If Longstaff costs £50m but he allows a tactical shift and implementation that works then it's small change over the course of his contract.
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I would agree with all of that, as long as we protect ourselves by staging the payments based on appearances. Bot good for a lad of his age to be having such a serious knee injury.

posted on 12/7/19

No but Gomez has had worse and ligament injuries are far more treatable now than they were even ten years ago with advent of key hole surgery and better understanding of the injury itself. Mentally it's tough apparently and you can lose your bottle in terms of wanting to move freely but if he is going to play for Utd he will need a solid mind anyway.

It used to be a career ender but not so much these days at all. Sure it's a concern but tbh you have that risk with pretty much any player anyway.

posted on 12/7/19

Just because Newcastle are asking for 50m that doesn't mean that he'll be sold for that amount. That is just the asking price and no doubt Utd will offer 30m and he'll be sold for a fee somewhere in between.

It's called a negotiation. Watch Bargain Hunt for tips on how to do this.

posted on 12/7/19

comment by Red Russian (U4715)

posted 5 minutes ago

Here's a question:

How does £50 million for Longstaff in today's market compare with £45 million for Martial in 2015's market? (At the time the Martial deal was cited as £36m potentially rising to £58m - from my reading only one of the three performance-related clauses were activated, bringing the final fee to £45.)

Factor in inflation and Longstaff is probably a bit cheaper. Obviously Martial had more of a break-out season than Longstaff, but was certainly not a dead certain to make it in England. If we structured the deal along the lines of the last £25m of the £50m being dependent on hitting X appearances for United and Y for the national side and playing in the CL knock-out stages, that would insulate against risks. I reckon something along these lines could be justified IF we've scouted him rigorously and are convinced he's the player (in terms of ability, fitness and character) to take us forward.

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Longstaff had a big injury. That is a very big concern especially when it comes to us. Over that past few years we have had more injuries than any other team in the PL. It has hindered us during LVGs second season and last season as well. I think due to the injury he suffered it be a very big gamble. I wouldn't want another Jones in the side and we have a few of those already.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 12/7/19

comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago

No but Gomez has had worse and ligament injuries are far more treatable now than they were even ten years ago with advent of key hole surgery and better understanding of the injury itself. Mentally it's tough apparently and you can lose your bottle in terms of wanting to move freely but if he is going to play for Utd he will need a solid mind anyway.

It used to be a career ender but not so much these days at all. Sure it's a concern but tbh you have that risk with pretty much any player anyway.
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Having done my left ACL twice I know a fair bit about the injury and appreciate that it isn't a career-ending these days. However, such injuries can cause other issues, as it is really really hard not to try and protect the knee, which causes other muscles in the body to overwork as you favour them. Even in the modern day there is no guarantee that he will ever reach the levels that he was at previously or that it won't cut his career short in the long run. Having seen what happened with Hargreaves, we really need to protect ourselves on this one.

posted on 12/7/19

I guess if he passes his medical then he passes his medical.

Saying that we pulled out of the Fekir deal so who knows?

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