Club 1872 have issued a statement about some of the incidents at the game at the weekend.
‘Club 1872 has received multiple eye witness reports from supporters trapped outside Rugby Park prior to, and following, kickoff in yesterday’s Kilmarnock vs Rangers game. These reports describe crushing, supporters fainting and actions from both stewards and police that made the situation worse.
We note the comments of Kilmarnock director, Phyllis McLeish who has claimed that the unsafe situation outside the ground was the result of searches and fans’ impatience. Ms McLeish’s comments are simply not true and appear to be a deliberate attempt to shift the blame for the breakdown of Kilmarnock’s new ticketing system. We have reports of fans waiting up to 45 mins to enter the ground. The delays were a direct result of this new ticketing system, which failed and put Rangers supporters in danger.
We are aware of a video which appears to show Rangers supporters opening an access gate in response to pleas from supporters further back in the crowd. This has been characterised negatively by various media outlets including the Daily Record and BBC Scotland journalists. Having watched and listened to the video in question, there is genuine concern from distressed supporters that there is a dangerous situation building up in the crowd and that this gate should be opened to relieve pressure. This concern matches the eye witness accounts, from those further back in the crowd, which we have described above. The situation would never have arisen if the ticketing entry system at Rugby Park had been working properly.
As usual, there has been a rush from certain elements of the press to blame Rangers supporters for this incident. We would remind them, Ms McLeish and others that it is the responsibility of Kilmarnock FC and their directors to ensure that visiting supporters are safe. It is quite clear that the ticketing entry arrangements were not fit for purpose and that this created an unnecessary situation at the turnstiles which placed Rangers supporters in danger.
We will be submitting the reports we have received to Rangers and urging them to ensure that Kilmarnock FC and their directors make proper arrangements in future and that they are held to account for the shambolic and unsafe situation prior to kickoff. It was Kilmarnock FC’s responsibility to make suitable safety and ticketing arrangements – it is absolutely clear they did not.
We will liaise with Rangers on this and on events inside the ground and work with them to ensure that Kilmarnock properly address these safety issues ahead of any future visits to Rugby Park.’
Issued by Supporters Voice Limited, a Club 1872 company
Club 1872 Statement
posted on 7/8/19
No, I don’t have any experience in crowd control. I do have experience of being in crowds and queues though, so know what can happen and I know how I react.
Fake tickets may be nothing new, but there seems to be an issue over the amount of them here. I think using Hillsborough as an example is a bit of a stretch in this instance. I never said there wasn’t a crush, I said what appears to have caused it. The video that showed the gate being opened didn’t have a crush at it-there’s plenty of room for everyone. As a result of that, there’s reports of overcrowding-which could have caused more issues.
I think there’s failings on all sides on this, but that statement refuses to take any responsibility for it what so ever. If a crowd behaves like a crowd, then that’s the fault of the folk in the crowd. Modern society seems to think that it’s not their fault if they’re not told something obvious. Don’t try and gain entry with a fake ticket. Don’t stand and argue the toss because you’ve not gained entry with your fake ticket. Don’t keep pushing the folk in front of you just to get in quicker. Don’t jump on top of a roof because it’s not built like a floor.
Same goes for every fan of every team. I don’t like it when my club don’t take responsibility for something going wrong when they could have prevented it. I’ll say the same about other teams.
posted on 7/8/19
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 43 minutes ago
No, I don’t have any experience in crowd control. I do have experience of being in crowds and queues though, so know what can happen and I know how I react.
Fake tickets may be nothing new, but there seems to be an issue over the amount of them here. I think using Hillsborough as an example is a bit of a stretch in this instance. I never said there wasn’t a crush, I said what appears to have caused it. The video that showed the gate being opened didn’t have a crush at it-there’s plenty of room for everyone. As a result of that, there’s reports of overcrowding-which could have caused more issues.
I think there’s failings on all sides on this, but that statement refuses to take any responsibility for it what so ever. If a crowd behaves like a crowd, then that’s the fault of the folk in the crowd. Modern society seems to think that it’s not their fault if they’re not told something obvious. Don’t try and gain entry with a fake ticket. Don’t stand and argue the toss because you’ve not gained entry with your fake ticket. Don’t keep pushing the folk in front of you just to get in quicker. Don’t jump on top of a roof because it’s not built like a floor.
Same goes for every fan of every team. I don’t like it when my club don’t take responsibility for something going wrong when they could have prevented it. I’ll say the same about other teams.
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Yeah thankfully you don't manage crowds for a living
posted on 7/8/19
Yip-it wasn’t the fault of the folk in the crowd, it’s all the fault of the folk managing the crowd.
I get there’s a skill to doing it, but there’s a responsibility on the folk causing the problem as well. You don’t think so, then that’s fair enough.
posted on 7/8/19
I mean; imagine asking fat chubby bears to be responsible for themselves.
Like giving Zach the cookie jar telling him not to touch and then turning your back.
posted on 7/8/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
I mean; imagine asking fat chubby bears to be responsible for themselves.
Like giving Zach the cookie jar telling him not to touch and then turning your back.
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Well, if he goes into the cookie jar, then it’s your fault for not making the warning bigger, locking the lid and putting 3 folk round about it to make sure he didn’t go in it.
posted on 7/8/19
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
I mean; imagine asking fat chubby bears to be responsible for themselves.
Like giving Zach the cookie jar telling him not to touch and then turning your back.
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Well, if he goes into the cookie jar, then it’s your fault for not making the warning bigger, locking the lid and putting 3 folk round about it to make sure he didn’t go in it.
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In Zach’s case I’m not even sure that would work
posted on 7/8/19
Perhaps the sensible thing to do would be to simply hang salad around any away ground areas they want bears to stay away from.
Or soap, in our case.
posted on 7/8/19
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Perhaps the sensible thing to do would be to simply hang salad around any away ground areas they want bears to stay away from.
Or soap, in our case.
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I like the odd soap joke as much as the next guy but, let's face it, there's no comparison.
Celtic had one smelly guy and took action to address the problem.
You telling me there's only one fat bear?
posted on 7/8/19
comment by Magnum (U16400)
posted 4 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Perhaps the sensible thing to do would be to simply hang salad around any away ground areas they want bears to stay away from.
Or soap, in our case.
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I like the odd soap joke as much as the next guy but, let's face it, there's no comparison.
Celtic had one smelly guy and took action to address the problem.
You telling me there's only one fat bear?
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You telling me there is only wan smelly bhoy.🙄🙄🙄
Good work on sizzle earlier btw.
He needs telt....more so than most of us.
posted on 7/8/19
Mixed marriages never work. Always lead to fat smelly people.