VAR will ultimately be a failure

comment by Phe'ndombele (U20037)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Debating with Winston turns me on (U1721)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by Phe'ndombele (U20037)
posted 11 minutes ago
Also thought Liverpool would get more decisions because of VAR

i dont think last nights was a penalty but you see penalties given for your side for that or less. You'll have to get used to it im afraid. VAR is bullsheit
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Can you give some examples of Liverpool getting penalties for less?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=712nKQOPk_E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-abFLZAaN8

examples as requested
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Those are examples of diving after fouls, which is still punished by a penalty. Not diving before the foul.

I asked for examples for less.

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Debating with Winston turns me on (U1721)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Debating with Winston turns me on (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
"I disagree that he chooses to "dive" as in he is going down regardless. He is hitting Robertsons leg as soon as Robertson dives in. I'm not sure that this can even be disputed."

This without doubt can be disputed as you can see it in the video that he is diving before he gets to Robertson and the first point of contact is when he stands on Robertson's foot, the second point of contact comes when he's mid-dive. In fact if the player had continued and not dived, Robertson may have went down first and got the freekick, as more pressure may have been put on his foot.

It's much easier to to accept you can't dispute something, when you can't see it with the replay. For this reason, I can dispute it.

I do agree if he didn't dive too early and didn't stand on Robertson's foot that it still could have been a penalty, even without contact. Although that's a grey area, for me.
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He isn't diving before he gets there he is very clearly stretching for the ball, which he gets to first. If he was diving before he got there then he wouldn't have stood on Robertson's foot because he was be falling to the floor.

The "dive" clearly begins after is left foot is planted, during the stride that his right foot is making. Rather than continuing with his full stride which would potentially have caused a much more damaging coming together, he pulls his right leg back. You can call this a dive if you want but it is also a relatively natural reaction when you think you are going to run into something (like an angry Scots man's leg). Also bear in mind that this all takes place in about a second. The replay you provide is 4 seconds long in total but has been slowed down.

You can argue that the player is anticipating contact but it is somewhat of a moot point since contact occurred, and was pretty much inevitable after Andy dived in.
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Yes that's all fair enough but I disagree. I believe he wanted the foul to come, got to the ball(and stood on Robertson's foot) first and then dived before the contact.
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Sure, I wouldn't disagree that he was happy for the foul. The problem is that it is still a foul in my eyes. As soon as Robertson lunges for the ball and misses it was always a penalty because he has cut across his oath.
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But he didn't cut across his path, well not until the player was mid-dive. He kicked a leg out and when it was back, the player stood on his foot, then dived. I see the point you're making but as I say, I don't agree. We're simply not going to agree on this one.

comment by Debating with Winston turns me on (U1721)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Phe'ndombele (U20037)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Debating with Winston turns me on (U1721)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by Phe'ndombele (U20037)
posted 11 minutes ago
Also thought Liverpool would get more decisions because of VAR

i dont think last nights was a penalty but you see penalties given for your side for that or less. You'll have to get used to it im afraid. VAR is bullsheit
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Can you give some examples of Liverpool getting penalties for less?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=712nKQOPk_E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-abFLZAaN8

examples as requested
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Those are examples of diving after fouls, which is still punished by a penalty. Not diving before the foul.

I asked for examples for less.
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Fouls

Nice to see Liverpool fans abusing Roberston nevertheless for giving away the penalty causing him to close down his twitter

comment by Debating with Winston turns me on (U1721)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago

Yes that's all fair enough but I disagree. I believe he wanted the foul to come, got to the ball(and stood on Robertson's foot) first and then dived before the contact.
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The point I've been trying to make here is that it's clearly a debatable decision - this thread is proof enough itself. As much as we may hold differing opinions, I think it helps to bear in mind that a ref can only ever decide one way according to how they see the issue. With or without VAR, it's impossible for them to make everyone happy.

The biggest misconception, or most unreasonable demand made of VAR is that it's should solve every contentious incident in footballto everyone's liking.

As someone else put it earlier, what we should expect it to do is reduce the number of clearly wrong decisions - i.e. those the vast majority of observers would readily acknowledge. There will still be the odd one that slips through the cracks, but expecting any system to do away with any and every possible controversy, imo, is a pipe dream.

comment by Phe'ndombele (U20037)
posted 17 minutes ago
Nice to see Liverpool fans abusing Roberston nevertheless for giving away the penalty causing him to close down his twitter
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Two things. Firstly, if you think the trolls on Twitter are representative of the average fan of any club then you’re thick as shiite. Second, any footballer that has a Twitter account must surely know he’s going to get abused by these trolls, so should either just ignore them or not have an account in the first place.

comment by Phe'ndombele (U20037)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Debating with Winston turns me on (U1721)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Phe'ndombele (U20037)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Debating with Winston turns me on (U1721)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by Phe'ndombele (U20037)
posted 11 minutes ago
Also thought Liverpool would get more decisions because of VAR

i dont think last nights was a penalty but you see penalties given for your side for that or less. You'll have to get used to it im afraid. VAR is bullsheit
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Can you give some examples of Liverpool getting penalties for less?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=712nKQOPk_E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-abFLZAaN8

examples as requested
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Those are examples of diving after fouls, which is still punished by a penalty. Not diving before the foul.

I asked for examples for less.
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Fouls
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The Newcastle one is more debatable, but the Brighton one stonewall.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Debating with Winston turns me on (U1721)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago

Yes that's all fair enough but I disagree. I believe he wanted the foul to come, got to the ball(and stood on Robertson's foot) first and then dived before the contact.
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The point I've been trying to make here is that it's clearly a debatable decision - this thread is proof enough itself. As much as we may hold differing opinions, I think it helps to bear in mind that a ref can only ever decide one way according to how they see the issue. With or without VAR, it's impossible for them to make everyone happy.

The biggest misconception, or most unreasonable demand made of VAR is that it's should solve every contentious incident in footballto everyone's liking.

As someone else put it earlier, what we should expect it to do is reduce the number of clearly wrong decisions - i.e. those the vast majority of observers would readily acknowledge. There will still be the odd one that slips through the cracks, but expecting any system to do away with any and every possible controversy, imo, is a pipe dream.


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Yes, agree with all that.