Cracking result,we are doing well dspite being third its tight and on goal difference so BR needs to keep the players on the ball do you agree.
Saying that they are games we get turned over in the past under a lot of managers.
Mistakes where made for the first goal do let the guy cross the ball but i think Kaspers anger was more at himself letting a soft goal over his head.
The trip unintentional or not means nothing so we get things evened up.
Boy did i love wheat happened to Klopp.
We need to let the new guys settle in even if they have played in the Prem we are a different we are never going to play two up front in the old fashion sense.
Ps fans never,never try and wind up our Vardy its only going to end up badly.
Enjoy your week
Nev still loves VAR
posted on 23/10/19
I'm not saying that VAR has introduced these issues and I agree that they've always been there. But it doesn't help in the way that people want to clear them up, and I don't believe you can ever write the laws of the game to be specific enough to define it so.
You'll never get a pressure reading or a velocity reading to decide how much contact there has been or precisely how hard it was. Different players have different levels of balance or are of different weights and heights, making things appear different. Someone could apply an amount of pressure on Ayoze Perez to make him fall over but if they applied the same amount to Wes Morgan they'd bounce off him. And that's quite aside from all the possible angles and places where the contact could happen. All subjectivity and variance that will never go away.
Application is a different question somewhat, and there is an argument for maximising accuracy of VAR, but accepting more uses and longer times doing so. Fair to say that this probably isn't a direction to take this particular argument in, but worth adding that my opinion is that the less we see of it, the better. I like my football fast, flowing and exciting, not sitting in the stadium drumming your fingers while a bloke behind a screen considers whether the contact he's seen is too much.
But again, I guess that's subjective.
posted on 23/10/19
Mersey - On Mané: Yes, he threw himself to the floor when he could have stayed up. Very similar to Origi. But that's my opinion, and as neutrals disagree between them as to whether it was truly enough to go down, the VAR decision rightly comes back "do not overturn".
posted on 23/10/19
Sorry - I see you're more arguing that as a point of saying players will throw themselves to the floor even without the idea of a hard line being drawn. But in that respect, that's been going on for years anyway and would likely continue and get even more so. The additional difference in the scenario you talk of is that players could learn to get whole goals chalked off in retrospect instead of just having a whinge at the officials at half/full time. i.e. It encourages people to go down as a potential fallback option in case something bad happens shortly afterwards.
posted on 23/10/19
The additional difference in the scenario you talk of is that players could learn to get whole goals chalked off in retrospect instead of just having a whinge at the officials at half/full time. i.e. It encourages people to go down as a potential fallback option in case
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Sorry I just don't agree with this conclusion.
I don't think it will have this effect. More likely the opposite will happen if VAR is implemented correctly. Players will have to be sure they've been fouled before going down. Any attempts at getting a foul when a foul hasn't occurred will be punished.
Furthermore, the idea that a player in that position can predict that the ball will end up in the back of the net and therefore decides to go down to get the goal ruled out is a bit of a stretch.
It won't make players go down more than they do now, it will reduce that IMO.
posted on 23/10/19
^ interestingly, you could level this argument at Evans. I think he knew that if he went down, VAR would have to look at it. Whereas before VAR he may not have done.
Was he within his rights to do that? Yes. Was he within his rights to ask for the foul? Yes. Was it a foul? Yes. Did VAR make the correct decision? Yes.
The same cannot be said for the Origi incident, which should have been treated the same but for some reason wasn’t.
posted on 23/10/19
It's simple really, if Allbrighton fouled Mane, Origi was also fouled in exactly the same way, was decision was wrong
posted on 23/10/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
^ interestingly, you could level this argument at Evans. I think he knew that if he went down, VAR would have to look at it. Whereas before VAR he may not have done.
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I might disagree. Defenders have been flinging themselves all over the place even before VAR. Evans was fouled.
Evans went down because he knew it was a foul. VAR made the correct call. If he had not been touched he would not have gone down because VAR would have exposed him.
Even if he couldn't reach the ball(which we can't ever know for sure), he was still fouled and he made the best of the situation. He was fouled while the ball was still in play and therefore the goal was disallowed. Its possible that he could have cleared it, no?
It was a stupid foul, intentional or not and it seems fair to me that the foul was given. IMO that's what we want to see. Before VAR he could have easily dived and (tried to) deceived the ref anyway.
I think VAR will make players go down only when genuinely fouled which is a big part of the problem solved and VAR will improve massively with time too.
posted on 23/10/19
Ahh! VAR - the gift that keeps on giving - we're not going to be short of debate with it around!
I 'm not convinced VAR will make players only go down when genuinely fouled.
If the letter of the law is applied then Mane could easily under review have been yellow carded for diving and the penalty denied. Yes he was fouled initially but he dived after, so not enough contact made to make him fall over like that.
Origi was genuinely fouled, dived and didn't get the decision so he might try and stay on his feet next time he's touched rather than go down because he's been genuinely fouled.
Still an element of subjectivity in a lot of decisions so plenty of room for argument.
posted on 24/10/19
Origi was genuinely fouled, dived and didn't get the decision so he might try and stay on his feet next time he's touched rather than go down because he's been genuinely fouled.
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No. He will keep going down because VAR won't even be considered unless he does and the refs don't give fouls unless the player goes down.
What you are saying is not a logical expectation of how players will act IMO.
VAR or not, Origi would have still gone down. It used to happen quite often. He was hoping the ref would give it, leave alone VAR.
posted on 24/10/19
I don't agree, by taking himself out of the game he's put his team at a disadvantage, so he may well think twice before trying to earn a free kick.