An article that nails it imo

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The list of disgruntled ex managers is growing for the muppet Woodward
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Better he sack them if not good enough than keep them on for fear of being branded the hangman.
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Well in the last couple of days he has said publicly is fully behind oles philosophy and vision for the club. Would you expect him to go back on that

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Did he say to what end he’d support him?

I can’t imagine Ole would stil be in charge if come feb we were still loitering around the wrong end of the table.
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Well you just said you'd take the word of the muppet and ole over his ex managers

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comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
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The list of disgruntled ex managers is growing for the muppet Woodward
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Better he sack them if not good enough than keep them on for fear of being branded the hangman.
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Well in the last couple of days he has said publicly is fully behind oles philosophy and vision for the club. Would you expect him to go back on that

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Did he say to what end he’d support him?

I can’t imagine Ole would stil be in charge if come feb we were still loitering around the wrong end of the table.
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Well you just said you'd take the word of the muppet and ole over his ex managers


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You do understand that situations / circumstances can change don’t you?

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comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
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comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
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comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
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The list of disgruntled ex managers is growing for the muppet Woodward
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Better he sack them if not good enough than keep them on for fear of being branded the hangman.
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Well in the last couple of days he has said publicly is fully behind oles philosophy and vision for the club. Would you expect him to go back on that

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Did he say to what end he’d support him?

I can’t imagine Ole would stil be in charge if come feb we were still loitering around the wrong end of the table.
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Well you just said you'd take the word of the muppet and ole over his ex managers


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You do understand that situations / circumstances can change don’t you?
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Dont tell me tell your hero Woodward

Hes the muppet that spoke about vision and philosophy and according to you that vision will only last till the end of February which is an improvement on the crap you were posting in another article where you were advocating ole be sacked if the results wernt good enough after the next 4 games

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comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
People can’t use the money spent by Jose argument to slate him by saying he had advantages because of that money spent but also say they were duds.
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Jesus, I wish I'd seen this comment before I'd responded above.

You can't be serious, surely?

Why can't they use that argument? Jose signed the duds. He sanctioned the player deals. Not only could he not get his team playing decent football with his own purchases, most of those purchases - signed for big money - are widely considered failures. Who's fault is that? That he had the time and financial backing to make such deal is an advantage that Ole hasn't yet had.

That Jose failed to capitalise on the clear advantages he had doesn't mean those advantages never existed in the first place.
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I think Robs point is that the 'he spent £400m' argument' is normally used in the following equation

The more you spend, the better you are, no matter the player or how he performs = Manager cant even do well with a brilliant (expensive) squad.
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The point is... The more you spend the better you should be

He spent... And we weren't 450 million better off on the pitch

You were sounding reasonably sensible against hippo... Don't f*ck it up trying to rescue nobb
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Should. But it very rarely happens.

Robb therefore is correct. You cant argue both that Jose wasted £450m AND that we should be much better because we have £450m of players
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But rarely happens is balls btw

Clubs buy players... Why?

To get better... To improve... To play better football...

If it doesn't work who's fault is it

The managers

Or if its a DOF... His
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Or the players, surely ?
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ffs hahahah

who chose the player
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At United the manager chooses the players.
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So.... Jose's responsibility after all then agreed .. So you can argue that he has wasted the money and should be doing better

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comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
People can’t use the money spent by Jose argument to slate him by saying he had advantages because of that money spent but also say they were duds.
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Jesus, I wish I'd seen this comment before I'd responded above.

You can't be serious, surely?

Why can't they use that argument? Jose signed the duds. He sanctioned the player deals. Not only could he not get his team playing decent football with his own purchases, most of those purchases - signed for big money - are widely considered failures. Who's fault is that? That he had the time and financial backing to make such deal is an advantage that Ole hasn't yet had.

That Jose failed to capitalise on the clear advantages he had doesn't mean those advantages never existed in the first place.
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I think Robs point is that the 'he spent £400m' argument' is normally used in the following equation

The more you spend, the better you are, no matter the player or how he performs = Manager cant even do well with a brilliant (expensive) squad.
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The point is... The more you spend the better you should be

He spent... And we weren't 450 million better off on the pitch

You were sounding reasonably sensible against hippo... Don't f*ck it up trying to rescue nobb
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Should. But it very rarely happens.

Robb therefore is correct. You cant argue both that Jose wasted £450m AND that we should be much better because we have £450m of players
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No he's not

If we should be better... But we're not... Because his judgement was poor

Then its his fault... And he's wasted the money

If he's spent it... It's his responsibility if we're not better
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Nobody is arguing if the manager is responsible for improving the team. It’s that he either spent well in which case he should be criticised for not doing better OR he bought badly in which case he did as well as he could with the players he bought.
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that is utterly stupid

you don't criticise him for buying rubbish hahahahahahah

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Nobody is saying that. Of course you do. But you can’t also argue he should he doing better with his rubbish squad just because we got ripped off on prices.
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Being ripped off on prices is irrelevant... He chose the players because he believed they would improve the team and we'd do better

Its literally why clubs buy players

And if its his choice and his expectation... Then you absolutely can criticise if it doesn't work out... And moreso if they cost a fortune

Not just with jose... With any manager

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comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
People can’t use the money spent by Jose argument to slate him by saying he had advantages because of that money spent but also say they were duds.
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Jesus, I wish I'd seen this comment before I'd responded above.

You can't be serious, surely?

Why can't they use that argument? Jose signed the duds. He sanctioned the player deals. Not only could he not get his team playing decent football with his own purchases, most of those purchases - signed for big money - are widely considered failures. Who's fault is that? That he had the time and financial backing to make such deal is an advantage that Ole hasn't yet had.

That Jose failed to capitalise on the clear advantages he had doesn't mean those advantages never existed in the first place.
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I think Robs point is that the 'he spent £400m' argument' is normally used in the following equation

The more you spend, the better you are, no matter the player or how he performs = Manager cant even do well with a brilliant (expensive) squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The point is... The more you spend the better you should be

He spent... And we weren't 450 million better off on the pitch

You were sounding reasonably sensible against hippo... Don't f*ck it up trying to rescue nobb
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Should. But it very rarely happens.

Robb therefore is correct. You cant argue both that Jose wasted £450m AND that we should be much better because we have £450m of players
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But rarely happens is balls btw

Clubs buy players... Why?

To get better... To improve... To play better football...

If it doesn't work who's fault is it

The managers

Or if its a DOF... His
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Or the players, surely ?
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ffs hahahah

who chose the player
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At United the manager chooses the players.
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So.... Jose's responsibility after all then agreed .. So you can argue that he has wasted the money and should be doing better

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Yes. But if the players he signed are poor, then how can you argue he should have achieved more with them ?

Jose bought rubbish players for £450m.

Jose should have won the league with his £450m players.

Which is it?

comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
Jose bought rubbish players for £450m.

Jose should have won the league with his £450m players.

Which is it?
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Its Jose should have done better after spending 450m... But didn't because he spent it badly on rubbish players

So it's perfectly fine to criticise him for both

Unless you're a spacker obv

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comment by Shugs (U14253)
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comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
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Jose bought rubbish players for £450m.

Jose should have won the league with his £450m players.

Which is it?
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Its Jose should have done better after spending 450m... But didn't because he spent it badly on rubbish players

So it's perfectly fine to criticise him for both

Unless you're a spacker obv
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Yes. He bought badly. Should have bought better. That’s right. So why if he bought badly should he have achieved more?