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Labour

- Free 37.5 hours a week childcare for 2 years or over
- Free broadband
- 4 day work week
- Ban on combustion engines

Why isn’t Corbyn leading the polls? Is the public stupid?

posted on 1/11/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 52 minutes ago
It’s all over the media mate!
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Well I've obviously misinterpreted it so enlighten me
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You can't be serious?
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I am. You're telling me in talking about the wrong thing so I would like you to clarify exactly what I should be discussing.

posted on 1/11/20

comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 52 minutes ago
It’s all over the media mate!
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Well I've obviously misinterpreted it so enlighten me
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You can't be serious?
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I am. You're telling me in talking about the wrong thing so I would like you to clarify exactly what I should be discussing.
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With respect, go and do a bit of reading about why he's been suspended, what the report found and what his reaction has been.

No sense in me copying and pasting things on here.

posted on 1/11/20

comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 52 minutes ago
It’s all over the media mate!
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Well I've obviously misinterpreted it so enlighten me
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You can't be serious?
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I am. You're telling me in talking about the wrong thing so I would like you to clarify exactly what I should be discussing.
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Read what Jewish Labour mps and members say, rather than play gotcha with Winston.

Why do Jewish people feel attacked by Corbynista Labour?

Read EHCR report too.

posted on 1/11/20

Ok so I've specifically commented on his response. O think he's correct but has taken a defensive stance which again I've said I can understand. I think suspending him is disproportionate to his comments.

One of the EHCR findings was training wasn't good enough. That's a historic thing and they specifically said it improved under Corbyn. He's recommended the party implement all the recommendations asap.

Second finding Was political interference. This looks fair and it shoudlnt have happened. But then again when these issues are used as a political football then is it any surprise the leadership get involved trying to manage it?

Third finding was harassment and the 2 examples given were Livingston and Pam Bromley. Livingstons comments were misinformed as he's conflated Zionism with Hitler wanting to find a place for all the jews in Germany to go. The former is obviously about empowerment and the latter racism. He's bang to rights but not sure it's from a place of racism rather than just trying to deflect all the grief labour were getting. The issue with the Pam woman seems to be that she used the term fifth column. She uses it in an accurate way and I struggle to see how she is clearly being anti Jewish. In fact, when researching the term it appears that it has been a term widely used in Israel in reference to those who support the Palestinian cause. If they are the best 2 examples the EHCR could find and the other 18 were more borderline then I really don't think there is much there.

posted on 1/11/20

For the record I can't stand Corbyn and glad he's gone but it's pretty blatant the problems have been hugely exaggerated for political gain...

That's not to say they don't exist they clearly do but yes of course they've been exaggerated as all these things tend to be.

posted on 1/11/20

comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 29 minutes ago
For the record I can't stand Corbyn and glad he's gone but it's pretty blatant the problems have been hugely exaggerated for political gain...

That's not to say they don't exist they clearly do but yes of course they've been exaggerated as all these things tend to be.
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That is legit comment.

Antisemitism was empowered under jezza when hard left got him in leadership position as hatred of Jews was not rife under Milliband, right before Corbyn


posted on 1/11/20

comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Ok so I've specifically commented on his response. O think he's correct but has taken a defensive stance which again I've said I can understand. I think suspending him is disproportionate to his comments.

One of the EHCR findings was training wasn't good enough. That's a historic thing and they specifically said it improved under Corbyn. He's recommended the party implement all the recommendations asap.

Second finding Was political interference. This looks fair and it shoudlnt have happened. But then again when these issues are used as a political football then is it any surprise the leadership get involved trying to manage it?

Third finding was harassment and the 2 examples given were Livingston and Pam Bromley. Livingstons comments were misinformed as he's conflated Zionism with Hitler wanting to find a place for all the jews in Germany to go. The former is obviously about empowerment and the latter racism. He's bang to rights but not sure it's from a place of racism rather than just trying to deflect all the grief labour were getting. The issue with the Pam woman seems to be that she used the term fifth column. She uses it in an accurate way and I struggle to see how she is clearly being anti Jewish. In fact, when researching the term it appears that it has been a term widely used in Israel in reference to those who support the Palestinian cause. If they are the best 2 examples the EHCR could find and the other 18 were more borderline then I really don't think there is much there.
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Training Labour not to hate Jews or Israel is a strange one and under jezza from 2015, anti-Semitism increased, not decreased.

Best judge with racism is talk to Jewish Labour and Corbyn plus his Momentum far left cultists were found guilty....by Jewish Labour mps and voters.

If a black person accuses a political figure and party of being racist, it is good to listen to the people impacted.

Rather than put your own take on it.

posted on 1/11/20

If a muslim says a party member or leader is racist against Islam, it's not best to say, what about Isis?

It's really simple.

posted on 1/11/20

Momentum are the sort of arrogant organisation who think they can do whatever is necessary for what they perceive to be the greater good.

As far as they are concerned any criticism of them is just "a media witch hunt". Antisemitism a prime example of this.

Rather than try and solve the problem they are so belligerent they just turn a blind eye to it and strengthen their siege mentality.

Corbyn probably isn't himself anti-Semitic, but when you keep company as bad as he does, it'll eventually turn round and bite you.

posted on 1/11/20

comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
Momentum are the sort of arrogant organisation who think they can do whatever is necessary for what they perceive to be the greater good.

As far as they are concerned any criticism of them is just "a media witch hunt". Antisemitism a prime example of this.

Rather than try and solve the problem they are so belligerent they just turn a blind eye to it and strengthen their siege mentality.

Corbyn probably isn't himself anti-Semitic, but when you keep company as bad as he does, it'll eventually turn round and bite you.
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