Mourinho negativity

People are too stubborn and lack objectivity

When Jose came in I was hopeful that in the short term he could get more out of our players than the stale poch regime. Making common sense decisions like playing Dele in his correct position etc

However, I have no problem saying that this was completely wishful thinking

Levy should have backed poch in the transfer window 2 years ago and the cheapskate believed Jose could fix everything this season, saving him from spending money. Particularly as Jose was bigging up our squad

Instead Jose has changed very little in terms of performances and results, because our players aren’t very good anymore

So now we have to do the same rebuild, except instead of sticking by the man who elevated the club during his 5 or 6 years here, getting us to play exciting football at our peak, we have to endure negative defensive football

Analog

comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 2 minutes ago
Situation under Poch:

- Window still open
- In 2 cup competitions
- Chance of top 4
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- No away wins all year
- 10 league wins in 30 games (33%)
- 13 loss in 30 league games (44%)
- 37 points from 87 (1.28 points per game)

ALL of these stats have improved under Jose. I loved Poch wanted him desperately to win stuff but we were going only one way. He had just spent net £60m and had Lo Celso on loan.

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Eh? Look at my last post regarding results. He had £60m after letting the team go stale and he barely got to use his new signings because of injuries. Especially Sessegnon and Lo Celso. What a ridiculous statement to make.
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Fact is we made the top 4 last season on the strength of our excellent first half of the season. We had 60 points from 26 games, 5 points off joint leaders City & Liverpool.

So things werent stale for the first 26 games of the season and that was at a time when Kane was injured again, Son had been away twice on international duty, Lucas wasnt getting a game, we were relying on Llorente....but suddenly we are stale despite actually having to rotate the squad quite a lot during the first part of the season. You say we were stale and yet Lucas was barely getting a game despite ALli being rubbish. Stale yet the FBs were being swapped in and our consistently. Stale yet Eriksen played every game depsite being in awful form.

You also have to consider that managers can become stale.....same stuff, same message, same voice and if that is not backed up by success it becomes stale.

One thing i have noticed with us under Poch is that when the chance to win the title has slipped out of reach, we struggle....We chase Leicester hard and once it was gone we melted down. We chased Chelsea hard but couldnt catch them and slipped further back. We were hard on the heels of City & Liverpool last season, couple quick losses to Burnley & Chelsea and then we slip in to a mode where we managed about 1 point a game for the rest of the season.

At the start of this season we were playing catchup up from a early point and after a couple adverse results we're then giving up.

To me our issues have been as much about winning mentality as it has been personnel. I think after this 4th example of missing out perhaps the players stopped believing we could win stuff under Poch....with this group the replacement had to be a winner and although Jose's reputation is slightly dimmer than it once was, he's a winner. You cannot argue with that. Its actually a choice that makes a lot of sense, not a panic appointment by a desperate man.

comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 15 minutes ago
People are too stubborn and lack objectivity

When Jose came in I was hopeful that in the short term he could get more out of our players than the stale poch regime. Making common sense decisions like playing Dele in his correct position etc

However, I have no problem saying that this was completely wishful thinking

Levy should have backed poch in the transfer window 2 years ago and the cheapskate believed Jose could fix everything this season, saving him from spending money. Particularly as Jose was bigging up our squad

Instead Jose has changed very little in terms of performances and results, because our players aren’t very good anymore

So now we have to do the same rebuild, except instead of sticking by the man who elevated the club during his 5 or 6 years here, getting us to play exciting football at our peak, we have to endure negative defensive football
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so you put your faith in a manager who has won nothing with us - we're a top 4 team, surely that's quality enough to pick up some sort of domestic trophy. Yes he raised our levels but not as far as actually winning something which is what everyone no expects.

To put your faith in Jose to undertake that rebuild and perhaps winning something along the way has some serious logic to it. I'm not his biggest fan but the guy needs time to turn things around.

As for objectivity....you are making massive assumptions about "Levy doing it on the cheap" which are based on nothing seeing as Jose hasnt even been through a window yet, so you are clearly lacking the objectivity you are criticising others for.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 15 minutes ago
People are too stubborn and lack objectivity

When Jose came in I was hopeful that in the short term he could get more out of our players than the stale poch regime. Making common sense decisions like playing Dele in his correct position etc

However, I have no problem saying that this was completely wishful thinking

Levy should have backed poch in the transfer window 2 years ago and the cheapskate believed Jose could fix everything this season, saving him from spending money. Particularly as Jose was bigging up our squad

Instead Jose has changed very little in terms of performances and results, because our players aren’t very good anymore

So now we have to do the same rebuild, except instead of sticking by the man who elevated the club during his 5 or 6 years here, getting us to play exciting football at our peak, we have to endure negative defensive football
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so you put your faith in a manager who has won nothing with us - we're a top 4 team, surely that's quality enough to pick up some sort of domestic trophy. Yes he raised our levels but not as far as actually winning something which is what everyone no expects.

To put your faith in Jose to undertake that rebuild and perhaps winning something along the way has some serious logic to it. I'm not his biggest fan but the guy needs time to turn things around.

As for objectivity....you are making massive assumptions about "Levy doing it on the cheap" which are based on nothing seeing as Jose hasnt even been through a window yet, so you are clearly lacking the objectivity you are criticising others for.
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1) it was poch who made us a top 4 team. So yes I would have rather he undertook the rebuild despite not winning the league cup in his time at the club. Could have hired juande Ramos for that

2) no it’s not based on nothing, it’s based on levy not signing a player in three consecutive windows, allowing the squad to become stale. Whether he spends money now under Jose is separate to that

Just on that Moura point. He played loads under Poch but never preferred because of his individualistic play. He lacks team build up compared to others. He still played same number of games as anyone else.

Myth debunked

Everything youre saying can be put to a stale squad. Excessive rotation, odd selections.. maybe he didnt trust them and for a reason..

Also this view of Pochettino failing because he didnt win a trophy is facking ridiculous

Problem is that Mourinho’s not exactly known for rebuilding teams. He usually takes a team that someone else has built and adds a few pieces to get them to perform even better.

Spurs will get better under Mourinho when he gets some of his signings. But I suspect he won’t be rebuilding Spurs into a team like they were under Poch. And then when he has a meltdown you’ll be wondering if it was all worth it for a league cup and a top four finish.

comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 1 minute ago
Also this view of Pochettino failing because he didnt win a trophy is facking ridiculous
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That’s when you stop listening mate