for those that don't, he is not the cdm I think we should sign
Back in 2014 there was a massive outcry when a police officer in NY put an unarmed black man in a sustained chokehold killing him. While the man was crying I cannot breath.
Prior to and since, there have many incidents I came across that highlights the level of racism in the states. In February 2020, one was effectively swept under the rug, and it was deemed a lawful killing. Well, until footage (police had) was leaked to the public earlier this month. A 25 year old unarmed black man was haunted while jogging, and gunned down by 3 white men. He had trespassed onto a "construction site" for unknown reasons on numerous occassions in the past but had not stolen anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ezAAs1qj0
I was outraged then saw the news today of a case not disimilar to eric garner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VZS0H-636g
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My question is given the background of cases, would anyone be able actually argue against black people in USA now starting to take the law into their own hands? Mix this with the US gun culture and a bunch of people with no job (not much to lose) thanks to covid 19 and the likes of the KKK as we saw in charlottesville in 2018. Am i the only one seeing a potential flash point like none since the civil rights movement or am I reading too much into this?
Who remembers Eric Garner?
posted on 28/5/20
First of all, you expose your low intellectual level by resorting to insults on a very serious problem.
It is also a fact that these murders in Chicago, and many other American cities, are not simply gangs killing other gang members. Many innocent by-standers are also killed/wounded. I know that you are not very good with facts because facts are stubborn things. Do you homework instead of making yourself look stupid! Kindly "get lost!"
posted on 28/5/20
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 53 minutes ago
"I just found BLM a farce"
You should have stopped here.
"and lots of black Americans agreed"
Some black slaves were okay with slavery. Whether it was Stockholm's or they felt being out in the cold was worse than the little they had or they weren't the ones being lynched. It doesn't mean that that was right. Also, I think you'll find more people agree with BLM than disagree.
"so I dint think it's fair to suggest all lack people felt BLM was the answer"
Where did I say "all"?
"As far as the media goes they def choose to pick what's topical."
Of course they do. Why do you think people know every single trip Cummings made but not that there will be an Irish border or that the government voted to lower food standards or even that they've made secret deals with the US for life post Brexit. But it's not the media's fault America has a serious problem between the police and the black community.
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It's hard for me not to find your answer to be part of the problem. You just dismiss arguments and opinions with that typical dismissive approach, taking so much out of context. If someone disagrees they are racist basically 😅
Saying I should just stop when I said I found blm a farce? That's what dumb people do. They make statement without explaining their logic.
As for trying to counter the fact lots of black Americans felt it wasn't he right approach with saying some black people endorsed slavery 😂 now who is the troll. That's an outrageous statement.
I'm saying I want to use these issues stateside, where you and I cannot influence anything at all, to stop the gang issues and trap culture swamping our country.
The fact a guy died is tragic but I don't see our media's obsession with stateside issues out of our control, when we have stuff just as bad on our doorstep. We can change that.
How many people are helping tensions in the US or raising awareness for BLM over here in the uk, to help America? How many people even understand the trouble in our cities right now with these postcode wars? Less than know about this guys sad death.
All life's matter. I won't accept criticism for voicing that let alone have someone suggest I'm a racist. I'll always feel BLM creates more division and more violence cos it increases tensions.
In one way we are blessed the police in the UK just target the poor. Obv exceptions but it's mainly a class divide. I just think more kids are dying on our streets and that warrants more attention. In no way does that mean this incident wasn't a tragedy. Let's focus on getting our own streets in order. When tension gets crazy that's when the odd cop killing an innocent person becomes lots of cops using too much force and people on a regular basis dying. Then it's not just racist/powerhungry sadistic types but scared cops as well.
I'll always preach integration not segregation as the safest way. If the press don't show the masses we have these problems on a reg basis we will inherit all the problems they have.
Let's just agree to disagree but just drop the suggestions im racist. Im white and had 4 years of racism from some of my gfs family and I def stand against people being singled out for their skin colour.
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Thou dost protest too much methinks!
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 53 minutes ago
"I just found BLM a farce"
You should have stopped here.
"and lots of black Americans agreed"
Some black slaves were okay with slavery. Whether it was Stockholm's or they felt being out in the cold was worse than the little they had or they weren't the ones being lynched. It doesn't mean that that was right. Also, I think you'll find more people agree with BLM than disagree.
"so I dint think it's fair to suggest all lack people felt BLM was the answer"
Where did I say "all"?
"As far as the media goes they def choose to pick what's topical."
Of course they do. Why do you think people know every single trip Cummings made but not that there will be an Irish border or that the government voted to lower food standards or even that they've made secret deals with the US for life post Brexit. But it's not the media's fault America has a serious problem between the police and the black community.
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It's hard for me not to find your answer to be part of the problem. You just dismiss arguments and opinions with that typical dismissive approach, taking so much out of context. If someone disagrees they are racist basically 😅
Saying I should just stop when I said I found blm a farce? That's what dumb people do. They make statement without explaining their logic.
As for trying to counter the fact lots of black Americans felt it wasn't he right approach with saying some black people endorsed slavery 😂 now who is the troll. That's an outrageous statement.
I'm saying I want to use these issues stateside, where you and I cannot influence anything at all, to stop the gang issues and trap culture swamping our country.
The fact a guy died is tragic but I don't see our media's obsession with stateside issues out of our control, when we have stuff just as bad on our doorstep. We can change that.
How many people are helping tensions in the US or raising awareness for BLM over here in the uk, to help America? How many people even understand the trouble in our cities right now with these postcode wars? Less than know about this guys sad death.
All life's matter. I won't accept criticism for voicing that let alone have someone suggest I'm a racist. I'll always feel BLM creates more division and more violence cos it increases tensions.
In one way we are blessed the police in the UK just target the poor. Obv exceptions but it's mainly a class divide. I just think more kids are dying on our streets and that warrants more attention. In no way does that mean this incident wasn't a tragedy. Let's focus on getting our own streets in order. When tension gets crazy that's when the odd cop killing an innocent person becomes lots of cops using too much force and people on a regular basis dying. Then it's not just racist/powerhungry sadistic types but scared cops as well.
I'll always preach integration not segregation as the safest way. If the press don't show the masses we have these problems on a reg basis we will inherit all the problems they have.
Let's just agree to disagree but just drop the suggestions im racist. Im white and had 4 years of racism from some of my gfs family and I def stand against people being singled out for their skin colour.
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Thou dost protest too much methinks!
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the reason I do not have time for people like comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
is what you are effectively doing protesting against what others feel as an injustice.
You want to hijack BLM protest because you feel all lives matter not just black. You are upset people are discussing what is happening stateside when they should be discussing local issues.
yet i check your profile and note a single article on any of these topics since 2018 when you started posted.
posted on 28/5/20
comment by new cdm obsesion - julian garner (U13920)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 53 minutes ago
"I just found BLM a farce"
You should have stopped here.
"and lots of black Americans agreed"
Some black slaves were okay with slavery. Whether it was Stockholm's or they felt being out in the cold was worse than the little they had or they weren't the ones being lynched. It doesn't mean that that was right. Also, I think you'll find more people agree with BLM than disagree.
"so I dint think it's fair to suggest all lack people felt BLM was the answer"
Where did I say "all"?
"As far as the media goes they def choose to pick what's topical."
Of course they do. Why do you think people know every single trip Cummings made but not that there will be an Irish border or that the government voted to lower food standards or even that they've made secret deals with the US for life post Brexit. But it's not the media's fault America has a serious problem between the police and the black community.
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It's hard for me not to find your answer to be part of the problem. You just dismiss arguments and opinions with that typical dismissive approach, taking so much out of context. If someone disagrees they are racist basically 😅
Saying I should just stop when I said I found blm a farce? That's what dumb people do. They make statement without explaining their logic.
As for trying to counter the fact lots of black Americans felt it wasn't he right approach with saying some black people endorsed slavery 😂 now who is the troll. That's an outrageous statement.
I'm saying I want to use these issues stateside, where you and I cannot influence anything at all, to stop the gang issues and trap culture swamping our country.
The fact a guy died is tragic but I don't see our media's obsession with stateside issues out of our control, when we have stuff just as bad on our doorstep. We can change that.
How many people are helping tensions in the US or raising awareness for BLM over here in the uk, to help America? How many people even understand the trouble in our cities right now with these postcode wars? Less than know about this guys sad death.
All life's matter. I won't accept criticism for voicing that let alone have someone suggest I'm a racist. I'll always feel BLM creates more division and more violence cos it increases tensions.
In one way we are blessed the police in the UK just target the poor. Obv exceptions but it's mainly a class divide. I just think more kids are dying on our streets and that warrants more attention. In no way does that mean this incident wasn't a tragedy. Let's focus on getting our own streets in order. When tension gets crazy that's when the odd cop killing an innocent person becomes lots of cops using too much force and people on a regular basis dying. Then it's not just racist/powerhungry sadistic types but scared cops as well.
I'll always preach integration not segregation as the safest way. If the press don't show the masses we have these problems on a reg basis we will inherit all the problems they have.
Let's just agree to disagree but just drop the suggestions im racist. Im white and had 4 years of racism from some of my gfs family and I def stand against people being singled out for their skin colour.
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Thou dost protest too much methinks!
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the reason I do not have time for people like comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
is what you are effectively doing protesting against what others feel as an injustice.
You want to hijack BLM protest because you feel all lives matter not just black. You are upset people are discussing what is happening stateside when they should be discussing local issues.
yet i check your profile and note a single article on any of these topics since 2018 when you started posted.
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Youve gone a bit strawman there. Trying to validate my views with posting logic seems bone headed. You guys are just angry and insensitive to any opinion that differs from your own. I didn't say I'd protest against BLM. I didn't say I opposed it or hated it taking place, I just said I found the message misplaced and farcical if people want change.
Drill music and what it's doing to our streets is a bigger tragedy. That doesn't mean what happened to the guy isn't one bit it isn't on our doorstep and we can't change what's happening in America.
It's a forum where people can voice views and I've deffinately been exposed to wayyy more racism than most on these forums. Now people are starting to suggest it didn't happen or my view doesn't count...what because I've not mentioned it before or made an article on a footy forum site 😅
How can I as a grown adult take that view seriously? You haven't gotta agree with my view but I don't see why people get so triggered when people say 5hit that doesn't fit their narrative.
I'm not upset by people discussing what's happening stateside...that's the way the mediais. My issue is the media in the UK placing so much focus on their tragedies, we can't effect, and not showing enough light on ours. We can change them.
You clowns just seem to love ignoring that fact. I ain't scoring points or insulting people. The tone you chose to read my posts in is upto you. I just get the feeling you guys are just angry I'm not racist...that's what blows my mind.
Protesting against what others feel is an injustice....yet I spent paragraph's stating it was an injustice.
I can deal with a difference of opinion but it's hard to reason with people with such closed minds.
Its like you guys dont realise saying all life's matter does include black people!...it's the same message in every way. A group of black/mexican/white/Asian people demonstrating together united has a far larger impact. How you guys don't understand this is unreal.
In 2 years time do your time machine research and we will see how much effect your contributions to BLM in America, along with everyone else's has had. I'm willing to bet this 5hit will sadly still be happening.
Then we will also see how much media is giving the blood on our own doorsteps then. Then post another article, as I only post on these topics very two years.
posted on 28/5/20
comment by new cdm obsesion - julian garner (U13920)
posted 7 hours, 38 minutes ago
The media have a large responsibility too as they ignore when a white person gets killed by a white officer, or a black man is killed by a black officer, as it simply isn't sensational enough. That alone is a sad state of affairs.
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totally makes sense. its the leftist media fault for highlighting videos when it comes to light in public of white officers killing black people
they really need to find videos of white officers killing other white people in similar circumstances.
Can anyone hazard a guess why there are no videos emerging?
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i remember reading that a police officer in america killed a death person because he wasn't following instructions. i wonder what the race of the victim and police officer was
posted on 29/5/20
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10102862110993933&id=51208889&sfnsn=scwspmo&extid=WzkwDKwR4V2eb4mH
Simply one story highlighting why such a movement as BLM exists. If all races disproportionately had experiences like this, then using the rationale of BLM, you could argue for an #alllivesmatter hash tag or movement or whatever. But the truth is that this doesn't happen to all races. You yourself said your gf experienced this in China, which is a country well known for racial bias against black people. Yet, even with an example in your own bed, you don't get it. You have a partner who would want to be treated the same as everyone else (what BLM is all about), which is preferably with respect, and your only thought is that this request causes more division. For that, I feel for you. Truly feel for you.
As for the rest of your diatribe, no-one called you a racist. Neither has anyone suggested that what's happening in the US is more important than what's happening in the UK. Can both not be discussed? Where are your articles / calls to clean up the streets as you call it?
posted on 29/5/20
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 6 hours, 59 minutes ago
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10102862110993933&id=51208889&sfnsn=scwspmo&extid=WzkwDKwR4V2eb4mH
Simply one story highlighting why such a movement as BLM exists. If all races disproportionately had experiences like this, then using the rationale of BLM, you could argue for an #alllivesmatter hash tag or movement or whatever. But the truth is that this doesn't happen to all races. You yourself said your gf experienced this in China, which is a country well known for racial bias against black people. Yet, even with an example in your own bed, you don't get it. You have a partner who would want to be treated the same as everyone else (what BLM is all about), which is preferably with respect, and your only thought is that this request causes more division. For that, I feel for you. Truly feel for you.
As for the rest of your diatribe, no-one called you a racist. Neither has anyone suggested that what's happening in the US is more important than what's happening in the UK. Can both not be discussed? Where are your articles / calls to clean up the streets as you call it?
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I never said both cannot be discussed. That was the point I made several times before you and another poster starting suggesting I was racist...and had views from the 1900s.
Then when you both realised that was a no brainer, one of you decided I was then preach anti racism too much 😅
Couldn't make it up! Oh that was after being told my views seem fake cos I've never posted on Ja606 about race issues before! WT actual F
As for using my wife as an example of why BLM exists. She actually thinks it's dumb (she actually uses worda it wont ket me post)and not the best way forward, hence why I share her view. When I said this previously the response I got was 'some blacks supported slavery' and that epitomises the level of intellect I'm dealing with 😅
Don't 'feel for me' or put words in my wife's mouth cos she doesn't live life like a victim and has probably incurred levels of racism and violence you don't even know exist.
Dumb people think rioting and shouting BLM changes things she is far smarter than that and thankfully so are lots of black people. This will blow your brain but only a minority of black people actively support BLM.
She actually finds your polorizing views embarrassing as an African. They were her exact words. She then said this is why people need to be educated and we need to push inclusive not division. If I wasn't with her Id have no need to support BLM, as it wouldn't effect me first hand and I wouldn't be respected or wanted there. That's exactly why it doesn't work in her eyes.
Standing together will always be stronger than standing alone. My only gripe was I wanted more focus on the blood on our streets.
I do hope you continue your large effort supporting BLM though. Maybe in the next ten years we will start to see results.
This whole thread is just the cringes read ever and exactly why this stuff should stay off here, and why I usually always swerve these convos.
posted on 29/5/20
"before you and another poster starting suggesting I was racist...and had views from the 1900s."
Show me where I suggested this
"epitomises the level of intellect I'm dealing with"
Only if you don't understand analogies
"or put words in my wife's mouth"
Show me where I did this
"only a minority of black people actively support BLM"
Stats please
"She actually finds your polorizing views embarrassing as an African"
1 Explain
2 Who's African?
3 Polarising
"If I wasn't with her Id have no need to support BLM, as it wouldn't effect me first hand and I wouldn't be respected or wanted there."
But you don't support it anyway so this is a bit redundant. Strange statement.
"Standing together will always be stronger than standing alone."
That's what BLM calls for. For EVERYONE to come together in recognition of the unfair treatment black people receive at the hands of the police.
"and why I usually always swerve these convos."
Bye...
posted on 29/5/20
btw when I made the op it was not to gather sympathy for the black community, or tell people to protest. I made this when the story broke because I had the emotional intelligence to understand how the people might be feeling.
I had one intention and one intention only which was to open up a conversation (becauseno one else was discussing it here) and test the level of emphathy from people who this do not affect.
As long as a large majority of people do not see a problem, find it uncomfortable to talk about or see this as a black only problem the divisions will only get deeper and God forbids what could happen next. With the comments of certain people on here, my fear grows.
posted on 29/5/20
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CAvXmFeBVry/?igshid=m5uy6x39rcti
The difference is clear.