We would have lost comfortably without him yesterday.
Of course, it’s completely his fault that we gave away 2 pathetic goals and he definitely cost us the match, but let’s not fool ourselves that had he stayed on the bench, we wouldn’t have found another way to self implode.
Unfortunately for us, the real problem at Arsenal is a lot bigger than David Luiz, and probably any manager that comes in here. This club has had a loser’s mentality for over a decade and I hate to say it but Arteta was a big part of that decade. I was skeptical yet somewhat excited when he was linked with the job after Wenger left but all my excitement turned to significant doubt the second time around. If good ebening’s PowerPoint presentation was enough for us to turn Arteta down, what makes him more capable the second time around?
Now this brings me on the the main issue and it’s clearly the board. For years they let the French dinosaur run this club into the ground and financially cripple us in the process. They allowed this mentality to be created where losing became acceptable. Performances like last night becoming acceptable. Heavy defeats and failure to compete becomes the norm. And nobody really bats an eyelid because it’s Arsenal and this is what we are now known for.
The club is in need of a massive shake up, and while I’m not convinced Arteta is the man to do it, even someone like Pochettino would struggle to turn this mess around in these current work restrictions.
We can all single out players or have a go at the team as a whole or the manager or the whole lot, I know I do it, but the reality is things will only get worse before they get better. Getting Wenger and Ivan out was great but I can’t see Stan going anywhere anytime soon, and until he does, we’ll continue coasting by in mid table, on the curtails of European spots and the odd Totteringham’s day if we’re lucky.
We are finished
Luiz is the fall guy when the reality is...
posted on 18/6/20
Agree to some extent. But without Luiz we go in 0-0 at HT, and we were looking relatively well organised at the back before he came on. I think we’d have lost without him because city were bound to score at least one, and we were struggling to create.
But we made it easy for them and handed them the game with those mistakes. City are a great side and can smash anyone on their day, but I’m fed up of seeing us handing games to opposition, against the good sides we barely make them work for it, we always gift at least one goal. If we get picked off from excellent play then fine, but we shouldn’t be having individuals mess up like this almost every game. Even championship teams manage to make likes of city work hard for a win, and don’t gift goals away. If it’s not Luiz there’s other players who are equally capable of throwing a game
I think without those mistakes we could have at least seen a pretty decent organised display, with some moments on the counter. Luiz messing up really changed the game. But of course our teams issues to go far deeper than Luiz, and can’t just be written off as a Luiz issue.
posted on 18/6/20
Of course, it’s completely his fault that we gave away 2 pathetic goals and he definitely cost us the match, but let’s not fool ourselves that had he stayed on the bench, we wouldn’t have found another way to self implode.
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Who knows. Without Luiz mistake we would have gone with a 0-0 draw into HT.
I agree with you that the problem that hinder us is deeper and it goes on and on.
I read on twitter a quote from Ornstein that Arteta talked a lot to the players during the lockdown and that their attidute and mentality need to change at a club like Arsenal.
As long as we have players with this weak mentality in our club and we dont sort it out this mess will continue.
posted on 18/6/20
Luiz played exceptionally poorly. One of the worst performances I've ever seen from anyone. He's not usually that bad.
Our midfield, however, performed exactly as they normally do. That's the bigger issue.
posted on 18/6/20
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posted on 18/6/20
Shut up with the blaming Wenger for every Arsenal loss already, its getting pathetic now lol... smh 🤦♂️
posted on 18/6/20
comment by The Logical One (U20872)
posted 1 minute ago
Shut up with the blaming Wenger for every Arsenal loss already, its getting pathetic now lol... smh 🤦♂️
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Tbh it's all Graham's fault for taking those bungs.
posted on 18/6/20
We hadn't lost on 2020. Arteta was doing a decent job.
posted on 18/6/20
The right strategy is in place above Arteta in terms of recruitment and I believe Arteta is changing the culture at Arsenal to the liking of the board, but it's going to take time.
The problem is the players. The wrong type of players are at the club and the top earners do not justify what they earn. When you don't know who to choose as your captain, that's the biggest mistake and asking the players to choose (under Emery) is just wrong within itself. Xhaka isn't a leader on the pitch, he demonstrated that during the Crystal Palace game. Aubameyang isn't a leader either, but yet he had the captain's armband yesterday because Arsenal simply do not have anyone better, but because he is the best player. David Luiz is a top earner as is Shkodran Mustafi and yet they are both car crashes at CB.
One of the biggest issues in bringing personnel together in the dressing room is wages. When players like David Luiz and Mustafi are some of your top earners and Aubameyang and Xhaka are captain/vice-captain, what effect does this have on the rest of the players? What does it look like to the talented youngsters such as Saka, Nelson, Guendouzi, Maitland-Niles, Willock etc when the captain/vice-captain have completely the wrong attitude, or when some of the clubs' top earners are quite frankly calamitous? Arteta's intentions are correct, but his squad is wrong.
posted on 18/6/20
comment by The Logical One (U20872)
posted 4 hours, 34 minutes ago
Shut up with the blaming Wenger for every Arsenal loss already, its getting pathetic now lol... smh 🤦♂️
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Do you absolve him of any blame for our current predicament?
posted on 19/6/20
comment by Sayid Jarrah (U18355)
posted 6 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by The Logical One (U20872)
posted 4 hours, 34 minutes ago
Shut up with the blaming Wenger for every Arsenal loss already, its getting pathetic now lol... smh 🤦♂️
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Do you absolve him of any blame for our current predicament?
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Yes...