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Pep vs Klopp

They discussed this on Bleacher Report yesterday, I haven’t actually listened to the podcast but I thought I’d pose the Q here...

Who’s the better manager, Pep or Klopp?

I’d say Pep. His teams dominate and are aesthetically pleasing, plus get results as well. He’s been in management for 11 seasons and won the league title in 8 of them - in 3 different leagues.

Klopp’s Heavy Metal football is good and all but I think the consistency of results isn’t there.

Over to you...

posted on 3/7/20

You said he’d played in a low amount of games.

Is 14 league games or 29 in all competitions in a season a low amount of league games?

On a slightly different note, does a player have to be a first team regular in order to be considered a player who has been developed by a manager?

You don’t consider Zinchenko in the same way you consider Robertson. I would agree that Robertson is more integral to Liverpool than Zinchenko is to City. But you do seem to be dismissing the validity of saying that Zinchenko has been a player who has developed under Pep.

posted on 3/7/20

That should say “29 in all competitions in a season a low amount of games”!!

posted on 3/7/20

City restored some pride last night but, more importantly, their fans seized from Liverpool the right to take on Winston on ja606

posted on 3/7/20

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 22 minutes ago
You said he’d played in a low amount of games.

Is 14 league games or 29 in all competitions in a season a low amount of league games?

On a slightly different note, does a player have to be a first team regular in order to be considered a player who has been developed by a manager?

You don’t consider Zinchenko in the same way you consider Robertson. I would agree that Robertson is more integral to Liverpool than Zinchenko is to City. But you do seem to be dismissing the validity of saying that Zinchenko has been a player who has developed under Pep.
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I said he's played a low number of games this year.

Not sure why you're labouring that point. It's semantics. Perhaps focus on the actual point being made.

I am dismissing any credit being afforded to Pep for his development of Zinchenko, relative to the credit we're giving Klopp for his development of TAA, Gomez and Robertson, yes.

I think that's perfectly reasonable.

posted on 3/7/20

So you do think 14 league games is a low amount?

I disagree.

Your last point, If the criteria is simply based as comparison to Klopp (which is the whole point of this thread), then yeah, in that context it is reasonable.

posted on 3/7/20

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 43 seconds ago
So you do think 14 league games is a low amount?

I disagree.

Your last point, If the criteria is simply based as comparison to Klopp (which is the whole point of this thread), then yeah, in that context it is reasonable.


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With all due respect, I couldn't care less whether you agree - it isn't remotely important to the point I'm making.

If ultimately you agree then that's that because yes, the context is whether Pep can be given credit for developing young players in the way that Klopp is - and I think it's fairly clear cut that he can't.

posted on 3/7/20

It isn’t clear cut at all.

posted on 3/7/20



Okay then.

Let's give Pep credit for developing young players in the way that Klopp has done with TAA and Robertson.

We don't have any actual examples of players anywhere near their levels of development playing for City, but we'll say it's debatable anyway. Just for sheites and giggles.

posted on 3/7/20

Ok, I’m going to leave it there, because you’re now just getting antagonistic. Can’t be bothers with you when you slip into that mode.

posted on 3/7/20

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 8 minutes ago
Ok, I’m going to leave it there, because you’re now just getting antagonistic. Can’t be bothers with you when you slip into that mode.
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Maybe you should look at your own posts to see why that has happened.

Or just blame me. That'd be easier.

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