Off topic Michelin star food

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago

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i have had a trip to japan with my daughter - who for reasons unbeknownst to me is obsessed with the place - torpedoed by covid.

I did do some research, the place frankly seemed very expensive (though this was mainly Tokyo research), but it looked like they took their food incredibly seriously - quelle surprise. They seemed to have a lot of restaurants specialising in just one type of food, so I had earmarked the famous tempura places, and was planning a trip to the unagi festival.

generally they just serve very, very good food, though if you're unlucky you'll find they spoil your palette, my daughter has now decided that the only mushroom worth eating is a michelin star mushroom.
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Sad to hear about your cancelled trip, you should definitely try to go again when things are 'normal'.

In general, even in Tokyo, you can make things as cheap or expensive as you would like regarding food and still enjoy it a lot. The only things that are commonly really expensive are lodgings, fruits (take care of your vit c intake if you go for longer!) and spirits.

For me fine dining is simply food made by a chef that has honed his/her skills to the highest level. I don't care about the service, the tableware or the nice toilets as much. And like you noticed, thats what they do best in Japan (mastering 1 type of food takes a lifetime).

People that are averse to fine dining should definitely try these type of (usually 1 star) restaurants first which usually won't leave you bewilderd, hungry or empy-pocketted

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 hours, 13 minutes ago

i have had a trip to japan with my daughter - who for reasons unbeknownst to me is obsessed with the place - torpedoed by covid.

I did do some research, the place frankly seemed very expensive (though this was mainly Tokyo research), but it looked like they took their food incredibly seriously - quelle surprise. They seemed to have a lot of restaurants specialising in just one type of food, so I had earmarked the famous tempura places, and was planning a trip to the unagi festival.

But I think Tokyo has more michein star restaurants than any other city, and Japan more than any other country. And that is a great doc, if you see the guy's dedication, and how much of his life he has put into his craft, you'll understand the prices!

I've been to dozens of michelin star places, all over the place, don't find them pretentious at all (as GT said, they're not all disguising pate as an orange), you may find them a bit lacking in atmosphere (last time i went to one for lunch, there were 2 other tables in use), but go for lunch, you can get away with a £40-50 bill, and see if the experience grabs you.

generally they just serve very, very good food, though if you're unlucky you'll find they spoil your palette, my daughter has now decided that the only mushroom worth eating is a michelin star mushroom.
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Cheers for that. Funny old world. My eldest is Japan-obsessed too (due to anime in his case), and was due to visit in April.

What Lerradinho said just above me is similar to what I'd heard. And also that it's generally cheaper outside Tokyo, as you'd expect.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)

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Cheers for that.Funny old world. My eldest is Japan-obsessed too (due to anime in his case), and was due to visit in April.

What Lerradinho said just above me is similar to what I'd heard. And also that it's generally cheaper outside Tokyo, as you'd expect.


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yes, i think anime/manga has a lot to do with it, and also - with her having a half-thai boyfriend - good old teenage hormones.

comment by *GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 6 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Their point is that these Michelin restaurants are also excellent but in a different way overall. You called it bollox.
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I don't think their point has anything whatsoever to do with this. But go on, continue....
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Yeah, the point is that if you go and ask a random taxi driver or local, they will automatically open doors and take you to the places that RB claims.
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If you ask a random taxi driver in Asia to do this you will likely end up with a nice fitted suit, a couple of awesome rugs and some nice candles prior to dinner.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 hours, 13 minutes ago

i have had a trip to japan with my daughter - who for reasons unbeknownst to me is obsessed with the place - torpedoed by covid.

I did do some research, the place frankly seemed very expensive (though this was mainly Tokyo research), but it looked like they took their food incredibly seriously - quelle surprise. They seemed to have a lot of restaurants specialising in just one type of food, so I had earmarked the famous tempura places, and was planning a trip to the unagi festival.

But I think Tokyo has more michein star restaurants than any other city, and Japan more than any other country. And that is a great doc, if you see the guy's dedication, and how much of his life he has put into his craft, you'll understand the prices!

I've been to dozens of michelin star places, all over the place, don't find them pretentious at all (as GT said, they're not all disguising pate as an orange), you may find them a bit lacking in atmosphere (last time i went to one for lunch, there were 2 other tables in use), but go for lunch, you can get away with a £40-50 bill, and see if the experience grabs you.

generally they just serve very, very good food, though if you're unlucky you'll find they spoil your palette, my daughter has now decided that the only mushroom worth eating is a michelin star mushroom.
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Cheers for that.Funny old world. My eldest is Japan-obsessed too (due to anime in his case), and was due to visit in April.

What Lerradinho said just above me is similar to what I'd heard. And also that it's generally cheaper outside Tokyo, as you'd expect.


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My dad was based in Japan for nearly five years in and around the Korean war, he loved it. I still haven't been.

Forget the Michelin starred restaurants.

Usually food snobs who cook cheese on toast for themselves.

Value for money is a 10course tasting menu, might seem small but you will be happily full at the end.

Had one in Bali on honeymoon and you actually picked out the fish live that you wanted to eat.

Now that's fresh.

If I had a choice of any chefs food to try, Tom Kerridge is the only chef to hold a star owing a gastro pub.

Some off his recipes are of the charts.

comment by Igor la cloche de plongée et le papillion (U22200)
posted 12 minutes ago
Forget the Michelin starred restaurants.

Usually food snobs who cook cheese on toast for themselves.

Value for money is a 10course tasting menu, might seem small but you will be happily full at the end.

Had one in Bali on honeymoon and you actually picked out the fish live that you wanted to eat.

Now that's fresh.

If I had a choice of any chefs food to try, Tom Kerridge is the only chef to hold a star owing a gastro pub.

Some off his recipes are of the charts.
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Most top end Michelin Star restaurants offer a tasting menu and indeed some only offer that.

Fat Duck is the only one where the wine pairings have been great though.

comment by Winston (U16525)

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Most top end Michelin Star restaurants offer a tasting menu and indeed some only offer that.

Fat Duck is the only one where the wine pairings have been great though.
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my sad fat duck story is that i went to bray on thames about 20 years ago, but chose to go to the waterside inn instead, which was perfectly pleasant, though not hugely memorable.

i think at the time we could have done the fat duck for £50-70 or so, today i could afford to go, but doubt i will ever get round to it (especially now i no longer live in london).

so a tiny tinge of envy always creeps in whenever i hear people talking about eating there.

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)

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Most top end Michelin Star restaurants offer a tasting menu and indeed some only offer that.

Fat Duck is the only one where the wine pairings have been great though.
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my sad fat duck story is that i went to bray on thames about 20 years ago, but chose to go to the waterside inn instead, which was perfectly pleasant, though not hugely memorable.

i think at the time we could have done the fat duck for £50-70 or so, today i could afford to go, but doubt i will ever get round to it (especially now i no longer live in london).

so a tiny tinge of envy always creeps in whenever i hear people talking about eating there.

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Ah yeh, that’s a shame mate.

But you never know - it’s not going anywhere, so plenty of time for you to get there yet.

comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by *GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 6 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Their point is that these Michelin restaurants are also excellent but in a different way overall. You called it bollox.
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I don't think their point has anything whatsoever to do with this. But go on, continue....
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Yeah, the point is that if you go and ask a random taxi driver or local, they will automatically open doors and take you to the places that RB claims.
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If you ask a random taxi driver in Asia to do this you will likely end up with a nice fitted suit, a couple of awesome rugs and some nice candles prior to dinner.
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absolutely definitely in India. Took me 30 mins to get down a 300m road in Delhi because everyone was trying to sell me a carpet, or something else. Quite amusing for a while, then annoying later..