Approach for West Ham game

Yep we need to literally spunk all our energy in to comfortably beating West Ham, which is arguably easier than relying on a draw or narrow loss against Leicester.

Unfortunately, these boys are going to need to put their big boy pants on, down a red bull and some pre workout, and get to work.

A fast first half with a few goals up, will allow changes and a drop off the pace in the second.

No excuses now. We’ve been handed life line after life line. If these young lads with the worlds best recovery conditions can’t grit their teeth for 180 minutes, we don’t deserve Europe full stop

comment by RedCred (U11917)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
If we can't beat Moyes then we don't deserve CL.

We shouldn't rotate much from the winning sides. West Ham will take advantage of our weak left side, with Williams a little out of match form. So I'd rather use Fosu Mensah as LB.

The 10 others are given.



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hahaha, what?

you would drop williams who is a little out of match form for a guy who has played once in 2 years

this place just gets better and better

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
I would use a full strength side to make sure we win the game vs West Ham. If we are in any winning position I would use the 5 subs early to make sure we are as fresh as possible for Leicester.

We need to go to Leicester with the aim of getting a result, and not worry about Goal Difference too much.
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If we are 2-3 up with say 20-30 mins to go I’d leave the big boys on.

As unlikely as it is to happen a 5 goal win almost guarantees us top 4.
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After years of trying, David Moyes finally managed an Everton win at Old Trafford - as manager of Manchester United. Now he can, at long last, help us towards Champions League football by masterminding a 5-0 defeat for West Ham.

Come on Moyesy!

I think players being tired is the biggest myth in football. Average premier league player runs 10.5km in a match. That’s over 90mins with a 20 min break inbetween. Anyone with say above average fitness could easily do that every day of the week. These guys are supposed to be elite athletes. They have access to the best gyms. Dieticians, physios, personal trainers best football pitches ect.. list is endless. But are tired after playing 2 football matches in a week.

comment by (U22224)
posted 11 minutes ago
I think players being tired is the biggest myth in football. Average premier league player runs 10.5km in a match. That’s over 90mins with a 20 min break inbetween. Anyone with say above average fitness could easily do that every day of the week. These guys are supposed to be elite athletes. They have access to the best gyms. Dieticians, physios, personal trainers best football pitches ect.. list is endless. But are tired after playing 2 football matches in a week.
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I do understand what you mean, given the distance etc. however, most people who run 10km+ per day are doing so at a steady pace well within themselves. It's quite low intensity.

An EPL match, on the other hand, is (should be) played at an incredibly high standard and intensity; an intensity that would be incredibly difficult to replicate with your own training.

You also have to consider that the players are quite literally conditioned to perform at their maximum across 90 minutes, at an interval of around two times a week. Any deviation from that (extra time, an extra game) takes an incredible effort from them.

Take a 100m sprinter and ask him to do 120m under the same conditions and intensity; a boxer to do a four minute round. These seemingly incremental changes go against years of inculcation in mentality, cardiovascular capacity, and muscle fibre.

comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by (U22224)
posted 11 minutes ago
I think players being tired is the biggest myth in football. Average premier league player runs 10.5km in a match. That’s over 90mins with a 20 min break inbetween. Anyone with say above average fitness could easily do that every day of the week. These guys are supposed to be elite athletes. They have access to the best gyms. Dieticians, physios, personal trainers best football pitches ect.. list is endless. But are tired after playing 2 football matches in a week.
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I do understand what you mean, given the distance etc. however, most people who run 10km+ per day are doing so at a steady pace well within themselves. It's quite low intensity.

An EPL match, on the other hand, is (should be) played at an incredibly high standard and intensity; an intensity that would be incredibly difficult to replicate with your own training.

You also have to consider that the players are quite literally conditioned to perform at their maximum across 90 minutes, at an interval of around two times a week. Any deviation from that (extra time, an extra game) takes an incredible effort from them.

Take a 100m sprinter and ask him to do 120m under the same conditions and intensity; a boxer to do a four minute round. These seemingly incremental changes go against years of inculcation in mentality, cardiovascular capacity, and muscle fibre.
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Yes, there's a difference between "fit" and "match-fit". The players are obviously fit enough to run 10.5km twice a week or whatever. But throw into that intermittent sprints, turns, twists, kicking a ball, jumping, colliding, falling, getting up and so on and it's a very different thing. "Tired" players would still leave the average person for dead but doing all that against other top players who are less tired is when it really shows.

comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by (U22224)
posted 11 minutes ago
I think players being tired is the biggest myth in football. Average premier league player runs 10.5km in a match. That’s over 90mins with a 20 min break inbetween. Anyone with say above average fitness could easily do that every day of the week. These guys are supposed to be elite athletes. They have access to the best gyms. Dieticians, physios, personal trainers best football pitches ect.. list is endless. But are tired after playing 2 football matches in a week.
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I do understand what you mean, given the distance etc. however, most people who run 10km+ per day are doing so at a steady pace well within themselves. It's quite low intensity.

An EPL match, on the other hand, is (should be) played at an incredibly high standard and intensity; an intensity that would be incredibly difficult to replicate with your own training.

You also have to consider that the players are quite literally conditioned to perform at their maximum across 90 minutes, at an interval of around two times a week. Any deviation from that (extra time, an extra game) takes an incredible effort from them.

Take a 100m sprinter and ask him to do 120m under the same conditions and intensity; a boxer to do a four minute round. These seemingly incremental changes go against years of inculcation in mentality, cardiovascular capacity, and muscle fibre.
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Yes, there's a difference between "fit" and "match-fit". The players are obviously fit enough to run 10.5km twice a week or whatever. But throw into that intermittent sprints, turns, twists, kicking a ball, jumping, colliding, falling, getting up and so on and it's a very different thing. "Tired" players would still leave the average person for dead but doing all that against other top players who are less tired is when it really shows.
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Funny how you never hear of tennis players being tired. These guys do more sprints, twist, and turns while constantly hitting a ball some of the matches last 4 to 5 hours. Then they do it all again the day after. My point still stands. Ment to be elite athletes who have access to the best equipment and medical team going. They should easily be able to cope with our fixture list. They also literally had a 3 month break.

Wimbledon 2018: Roger Federer admits to feeling 'horribly fatigued and just awful' after loss to Kevin Anderson


Novak Djokovic was physically and mentally exhausted at Wimbledon  (2016)

Addressing Murray's drop-off in form having achieved number one status at the end of 2016, Federer said: "Andy was tired after getting to No1 at the end of last year and then has been struggling with injuries.”


Novak Djokovic said his Wimbledon final defeat by Andy Murray was partly down to feeling exhausted after his gruelling semi-final victory. (2013)


Nope, never hear of tennis players being tired. (They were the first 4 hits, but there are many more examples)

I see comments about gritting teeth and big boy pants.

This isn't what the talk of fatigue and tiredness is about, it isn't saying they are suffering, it is saying that the opposition are at a higher level physically.

Our last 2 games see us playing a West Ham team that are better prepared and have the freedom of no pressure and then a Leicester team that have had a full week to prepare for, what is in essence, a cup final.

I am thankful that 2 points is all we need, because it wouldn't surprise me one bit if that's all we get.

Funny how you never hear of tennis players being tired. These guys do more sprints, twist, and turns while constantly hitting a ball some of the matches last 4 to 5 hours. Then they do it all again the day after. My point still stands. Ment to be elite athletes who have access to the best equipment and medical team going. They should easily be able to cope with our fixture list. They also literally had a 3 month break.

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Lots of people have spelt it out and you still don't seem to get it, so this is probably futile. No one is saying they are too tired to play. They will go out and play at 100% effort. The issue is that despite being paid well and having access to the highest levels of physical preparation advice and equipment, they are still human beings who are subject to the laws of biology, biochemistry and physics, and their 100% is going to be lower than it was a couple of weeks ago, and likely lower than the physical intensity of another team of top professionals that has played fewer games and had a week rather than three days to rest. It's unlikely that our starting XI will be capable of out-working West Ham, if West Ham are highly motivated.